I have made the first move and sometimes it worked. More often than not, though, the guy wasn't interested. It wasn't (I think) that he thought I was too pushy, it was that if he really wanted to date, he would have asked me.

I guess I'd continue to make the first move if I felt like it--nothing ventured, nothing gained. And some guys really are just shy.
When are women going to face the fact that they donít know their own bodies as well as men who have heard things?

Don Langrick
Bonsai Culturist