Beebop, in terms of hold, I would compare SS FHG to CJ CQ. I would compare the hold of CIAB to CEJ: both are definitely gellies rather than med-hold gels. That being said, I get a little bit more hold from CEJ than from CIAB, so I usually choose CEJ over CIAB. I do really like the CJ beauticurls leave-in + CIAB + SOTC w/MD combo, however.