I use a different conditioner (MM but they are discontinuing that) and the Refiner, usually with a gel (CJ CQ) on top...Or sometimes I will put CJ CF underneath and use the Refiner as my main styler. It has enough hold for me...The Refiner is one of my HG products!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity
Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR
Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils