Ok, thanks, HWHC.
I was wondering about the white vinegar, and that was going to my another question.
When I tried this the other day, it took out some of the gunk but I was back to just as gunky the next day.
fine, wavy hair with lazy waves. Sometimes lanky spiral curls underneath when the weath is very humid. My waves are capricious like me! Presently using Burt's Bees condish, FOTE AVG with honey or Mop Top gel.