I don't have issues with hold. Don't use any gels, etc. They cause frizz for me. I will say that it's raining, the temperature is 40 and the dewpoint 31. I got caught in the rain twice walking less then a block from the car. As I said in my review, my top is flatter, but the curls are tight spirals and there is no frizz.
One thing I forgot to mention in my review, my hair is soft and feels product free.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08
HGs: Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; DM MiraCurls Curling Gelly; UFD Curly Magic; Shescentit LIs; Sevi conditioners; Botanical Spirits Puree, CJ Repair Me