Thanks for the offer, Gretchen, but I already rated myself (at least at the back) a 3b based on the fact that those curls seem to be as big around as my finger. I need to get a few pics taken, so I can update if necessary, but I don't have any yet. I really love your hair, and that of so many others here. I do so wish I had heard of some of these things earlier. It seems such a shame to have hated my hair for 62 years before I found out there might have been a way for me to like/love it. I'm really glad to be here.