Thanks Kathy and Gretchen!
Kathy my hair is a similar length and cut to your photos, of course I can't tell from your photos but I feel like I might have less hair than you (density).
I got better results today trying the techniques and using the two most curl-friendly products I have while waiting for some stuff I ordered to come, than I have in a long time. So that's encouraging!
To clarify, CO cleansing is something different than a product called a "conditioning cleanser" correct? When someone does CO cleansing once or twice a week, they might not be using a cleansing conditioner (like Wen or Curl Junkie), just a regular conditioner?
That was my only point of confusion.