I think it definitely does matter what you put under it.

I tried out EcoStyler with LALSG over it and hated that combo. I had a sealer and a LI under that too, and my hair still felt brittle and dry. It looked ok, but I hated the feel. But hold was not a problem.

I guess it just depends on how one is using it. I can use EcoStyler as a hard hold gel, but I am layering it over product that has magnesium sulfate in it, so that could be a factor.

Interestingly, I like the generic EcoStyler that I got from the 99 Cent store more than I do the actual White EcoStyler that I buy at the drug store that costs about $4 a pot.
That's me with FSG as my styler!!

3b. fine & thick, coarse, dry, medium porosity. Sucks up product and loves ACVs! FSG is my HG!

Currently using:
Low Poo: TJ's Refresh No Poo: CoWash w/VO-5; Sonoma Soap Company sulfate-free poo
RO: Yes to Cuc; SSC Lavender Condish; Sally GVP LI: Donna Marie Miracle D&C
Style: FSG w/Aussie Instant Freeze & CIAB