Spin off thread: The wavy imposter, it is not just you.

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We posted at the same time before and I missed your post. Thanks for the complement. I look at my friends/family/neighbors and wonder how many of them have wavy hair and have no idea.
*warning!!! semi obscure geeky analogy ahead*
It is like there is a world full of wavy sleeper agents (much like cylons). One day they will start hearing Watchtower being played in their heads by exotic instruments and feel compelled to stop combing and start scrunching their hair to reveal their waves. I started hearing the music a few years ago.
Yup. I'm a dork.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
LOL! I'm a fellow dork, and LOVE your analogy!!!
Originally Posted by LeanneM
Love it!!!
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This is my first day here! Hi!

I saw this thread, and just wanted to say "thank you!" This is how I feel about my not quite straight, not quite curly hair. I grew up with all straight hair, then it changed after I had my second son. Now, the hairs on my head range from straight with just a slight bend, to positively kinky! I am trying to learn to love it and work with it.
This is my first day here! Hi!

I saw this thread, and just wanted to say "thank you!" This is how I feel about my not quite straight, not quite curly hair. I grew up with all straight hair, then it changed after I had my second son. Now, the hairs on my head range from straight with just a slight bend, to positively kinky! I am trying to learn to love it and work with it.
Originally Posted by steph13
Welcome to the 2's. There is lots of good info here. Don't be afraid to ask questions when you need too, because this hair stuff is very overwhelming at first.
As you can tell by this thread, there are a lot of us on this site that that can relate to this thread. It is amazing to me that we are on page 5 of this thread now. Someone else mentioned offhandedly feeling like an imposter in another thread and the discussion lit up. When I moved the discussion here to start it's own thread, I thought we may have been pretty much done discussing the topic. I guess not.
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Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Pedaheh-
The pictures you posted are SO illuminating. Like, most days my hair looks like what yours does in pic #2, the one where you let it air dry. Straight-ish. You described pic #1 as doing your normal styling methods. I am sure you have covered this in the past, but do you mind my asking what specifically you do on a normal day? I see the list of products you use in your signature, but I don't know what you do (scrunching, plopping, pixie dry, what have you)
to achieve your curls.

Thanks!
So here is what I mean when I say my hair is easy to straighten. The first pic was taken a few weeks ago with my normal styling methods.
Here is what I did for the pic today. I combed in leave in conditioner, squeezed out moisture with a microfiber towel. I added mousse to the roots and blew just the roots dry to add volume. I added FSG to the damp length, finger combed and let dry. Essentially my hair will dry this straight when combed straight and left to dry.
I feel like my hair is both/neither naturally straight and naturally wavy, hence a bit of an imposter.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Mine is the same way, I don't even need a blow dryer to straighten it, though it does tend to look better if I do use one, less poofy. It actually takes more time and work to style it wavy. But styling it wavy means less work combating frizz and no worries about getting caught in the rain! (My straightened hair + rain = major poof!)
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This is my routine. It sounds more complicated then it is.
I do a PT once a week. I alternate between IAgirl's gelatin PT and Ion effective care (sally's). I PT about 20 minutes and follow with my regular rinse out for about 5 minutes.
I low poo about once a week (renpure, red bottle) and one a month I use Ion Swimmer's shampoo (low poo with one harsh ingredient) to remove hard water build up. My hair kind of likes a little hard water build up.
If my hair needs a hit of moisture, I do a coconut oil prewash treatment for 1 hour (or longer) prior to washing.
My normal dew point routine:
Water wash, Renpure (red bottle) rinse out. Comb and part hair with conditioner in. Rinse. Pea size leave in. Lean to sides and squeeze palmfuls of water into hair (like the super soaker method). Lean back and do the same to the back of hair. Squeeze out as much water by hand as possible. Scrunch in 3 parts FSG and one part ecostyler krystal, mixed in hand. Scrunch out as much water by hand as possible. Wait 5 minutes (helps fine hair stay in clumps when dry, doesn't seem to work as well with coarse hair). Plop 15 minutes in a microfiber towel (aqueous).
Pixie diffuse each section for a count of 60. Wet hands. Mix a nickle of got2B and a pea size of BRHG and scrunch in hair. Pixie diffuse again for a count of 60 (ala Smasters method). Air dry. If it is cold I'll sit under a hooded dryer. Coat hands with a pea of conditioner to SOTC. Pineapple at night.
Day 2: Finger comb. Coat hands with a pea size of conditioner and scrunch into ends of hair.
In low dews I skip the ecostyler and I'll have to swap out the got2B because they have glycerin. Glycerin drys out my hair in low dews.
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2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 09-15-2011 at 01:05 PM.
I feel like this too. I get light, flippy waves most of the time, with at least the "flip" at the ends even with I comb it out wet. I've not been able to figure out what to do with it. Plus I was on another hair forum the other day and we were discussing how we hated that the CG routine made us afraid to do anything to our hair to disrupt the "curl structure" like the book says and someone said to me--"especially since you don't have any." True she was a 3b, and compared to her, yeah. So yeah, feel like an imposter definitely.

That whole discussion started because I was complaining about the "spring factor" typing in the CG book and that there was nothing for the 4-5" spring--which is where my five-year old daughter lies in a good bit of her hair (with anywhere from 2-5.5" in the rest.) Yes, she's a definite wavy with curly tendencies and I feel like the imposter.
Closet wavy...trying to decide if I want to come out.
So here is what I mean when I say my hair is easy to straighten. The first pic was taken a few weeks ago with my normal styling methods.
Here is what I did for the pic today. I combed in leave in conditioner, squeezed out moisture with a microfiber towel. I added mousse to the roots and blew just the roots dry to add volume. I added FSG to the damp length, finger combed and let dry. Essentially my hair will dry this straight when combed straight and left to dry.
I feel like my hair is both/neither naturally straight and naturally wavy, hence a bit of an imposter.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Mine is the same way, I don't even need a blow dryer to straighten it, though it does tend to look better if I do use one, less poofy. It actually takes more time and work to style it wavy. But styling it wavy means less work combating frizz and no worries about getting caught in the rain! (My straightened hair + rain = major poof!)
Originally Posted by swtndspcy
This is one of my favorite things about being wavy!
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SOTC: JC N&S (LOVE)
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Wow I love this thread! I too feel like a curly/wavy imposter sometimes, especially because my hair texture seems to change a lot. Despite my varying degree of curl, my hair has never been completely straight either so I feel like a straight imposter when I wear it straight! I've eventually come to accept that my hair requires some work to go either way- I absolutely cannot "wake up and go" or "shower and go" otherwise I get a limp, stringy, frizzy, half curly half straight mess. This acceptance process took awhile, especially because I have a tom boy low-maintenance attitude. I get so jealous when friends stay over, hop out of the shower, and look amazing with no effort!

Love the terms hair horns AND the triangle hair, I have both. As a kid my hair was always nicely smooth and shiny and had a very slight wave (and a huge cow lick at my left temple) Then I hit puberty and BOOM it curled/frizzed right up. Middle school and High school were a nightmare because I was a huge dork, had braces/glasses, and had NO idea how to deal with these new curls. I brushed and blow dried it every day OOF. I have a lot of really fine frizzy hair at the temples so when I wore it in a pony tail they'd stick up like two hair horns. I used to call it my "Einstein Hair". You can imagine what this did to my social life.

Thank god I discovered moose in college.

But anyways, my fiance has VERY course VERY curly hair (think Jew fro ) so I get a complex about mine being "not curly enough". Especially since we've moved back to the west coast and my hair has become very limp due to the lack of humidity. I have to coax out the curl!
Hey I just came back for a peruse

I just wanted to say, yes, I feel like an imposter. But then again, about half the hair on my head has got a single wave in the length, where the stuff on the top is definitely got waves and some curls and all sorts of bizarre stuff.

Great thread. I love the whole slip vs grabby thing. I've been unable to find anything lately with any grabby that doesn't also give me scalp acne. I've got a very serious problem with random sensitivity to products. Organix sulfate free shampoo was a NIGHTMARE!!!

Anyway, I'm off to review the slippy vs grabby thread for ideas again! BTW, I think the whole grabby thing is why I love the Curlisto Bio gel mousse. It makes my hair look a little more matte, but man does it hold.
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Pineapple at night.
Day 2: Finger comb. Coat hands with a pea size of conditioner and scrunch into ends of hair.
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Originally Posted by pedaheh
Pedaheh: How do you pineapple such short hair? When I try to put my shoulder length layer bob into a high ponytail, only the top part goes in, and the ponytail straightens everything. How do you manage to put it up and then just finger comb and go? Do you do a straighter style on the second day? I find I have to rewet to get the curl to come back evenly.
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currently using:
low-poo: DevaCurl Low Poo (in summer)
no-poo: DevaCurl No Poo (in winter)
co-wash and LI: DevaCurl One Condition
styler: DevaCurl AnGEL (in winter), Nancy Boy gel (in summer- has no glycerin)
Pixie diffuse upside down til just damp, clip the hell out of it, and let air dry (or use bonnet dryer), SOTC
I don't do anything special. Some short hair can pineapple and others can't. My hair has a lot more volume the second day, but I don't think it is straighter.
I know some people have more luck with the pineapple faux hawk or the red from Fraggle rock.
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Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Wow, I have to respond to this thread, I can so relate to it! I'm really new here, and I wasn't sure if this forum was even the place for me because I felt like a curly impostor - only a wavy trying to pretend she's curly... I actually wrote a pretty long hair story in the newbie introductions, but suffice to say I used to be a "genuine" curly when younger, and now I'm more of a wavy/scraggly/messy.

So I'm trying to come to terms with my natural hair pattern - a lot of the time I really feel like it's "naturally crappy" and working in a very professional environment there is the temptation of giving up and reaching for the GHD's....

Anyway, I digress. Just a big Thank You for this thread! I can't tell you how encouraged I'm feeling - might even give (mod)CG another try.

P.S. Pedaheh, your hair is GORGEOUS! It looks pretty similar to mine, except a tiny bit curlier and a whole lot prettier. May I ask what kind of cut you have? I need to chop off some damaged ends, and your style looks like something I might be able to carry off. TIA.
Wow, I have to respond to this thread, I can so relate to it! I'm really new here, and I wasn't sure if this forum was even the place for me because I felt like a curly impostor - only a wavy trying to pretend she's curly... I actually wrote a pretty long hair story in the newbie introductions, but suffice to say I used to be a "genuine" curly when younger, and now I'm more of a wavy/scraggly/messy.

So I'm trying to come to terms with my natural hair pattern - a lot of the time I really feel like it's "naturally crappy" and working in a very professional environment there is the temptation of giving up and reaching for the GHD's....

Anyway, I digress. Just a big Thank You for this thread! I can't tell you how encouraged I'm feeling - might even give (mod)CG another try.

P.S. Pedaheh, your hair is GORGEOUS! It looks pretty similar to mine, except a tiny bit curlier and a whole lot prettier. May I ask what kind of cut you have? I need to chop off some damaged ends, and your style looks like something I might be able to carry off. TIA.
Originally Posted by FormerCurly
*Blushes* Thanks for the complement. I'm a DIY cutter, so I can't help a whole lot with the description. For that cut I think I did the back layers at 135 degrees and the sides at 90 degrees. And the perimeter is cheek bone length at the front and angles back. The back almost touches my shoulders when straight. HTH.
If you are interested in DIY cutting, this is IAgirl's method (with video).
Hair cutting - Updated with video
I'm glad this thread makes you feel better about your hair.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
*Blushes* Thanks for the complement. I'm a DIY cutter, so I can't help a whole lot with the description. For that cut I think I did the back layers at 135 degrees and the sides at 90 degrees. And the perimeter is cheek bone length at the front and angles back. The back almost touches my shoulders when straight. HTH.
If you are interested in DIY cutting, this is IAgirl's method (with video).
Hair cutting - Updated with video
I'm glad this thread makes you feel better about your hair.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Oh, that's very impressive. I am aware that quite a few here on NC cut their own hair, but I don't think I would have the courage to do that - not yet anyway! It looks lovely.
Felling rather imposter-ish lately. I got a hair cut and I just can't seem to get the same whirls like I used to. And I think she did a good job, but my hair is not responding. So... I treated my hair like it was straight again...




Sigh...
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Last edited by jessah; 10-11-2011 at 11:56 PM.
I feel like this too. I get light, flippy waves most of the time, with at least the "flip" at the ends even with I comb it out wet. I've not been able to figure out what to do with it. Plus I was on another hair forum the other day and we were discussing how we hated that the CG routine made us afraid to do anything to our hair to disrupt the "curl structure" like the book says and someone said to me--"especially since you don't have any." True she was a 3b, and compared to her, yeah. So yeah, feel like an imposter definitely.

That whole discussion started because I was complaining about the "spring factor" typing in the CG book and that there was nothing for the 4-5" spring--which is where my five-year old daughter lies in a good bit of her hair (with anywhere from 2-5.5" in the rest.) Yes, she's a definite wavy with curly tendencies and I feel like the imposter.
Originally Posted by Sunshineliz
Isn't this kind of like a woman who wears a size DD bra telling a woman who wears a size A that she needn't wear a bra because she doesn't really have any boobs?
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Oh yes, please add me to the "wavy imposter"/"fragile curly" group!

All my life, my hair has just been "eh". My mom envied my "curly" hair, and hairdressers always said I had a lot of wave, but what I saw was scraggily and frizzy.

Now that I'm 48, I'm learning how to style my hair, and trying to learn that just because I have to work at it, doesn't make it any less real

I'm two weeks into the (modified) CG method, and I'm already loving it. Yes, my hair is becoming my hobby

And as for the grabby vs slip, I favor grabby every time. I wish that were a category for product! I'd save myself a ton of money on things that never had a chance of working because they weren't grabby enough

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Last edited by Touch.of.ink; 04-03-2012 at 11:19 PM.
Isn't this kind of like a woman who wears a size DD bra telling a woman who wears a size A that she needn't wear a bra because she doesn't really have any boobs?
Originally Posted by IAgirl
If there's a nipple, there's a boob regardless of size. Likewise, if there's a curve or bend, regardles of size, there's a wave. That's how I look at it. I feel like a wavy imposter too. My hair is very fine and I really have to work to get decent wave going. Otherwise, it just looks kind of bumpy. One of these days I'll take a no-product air-dry photo, although I'm sure every single one of you knows what I mean.
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Isn't this kind of like a woman who wears a size DD bra telling a woman who wears a size A that she needn't wear a bra because she doesn't really have any boobs?
Originally Posted by IAgirl
If there's a nipple, there's a boob regardless of size. Likewise, if there's a curve or bend, regardles of size, there's a wave. That's how I look at it.
Originally Posted by jakrussel3
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