Spin off thread: The wavy imposter, it is not just you.

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This is a spin off from the "how do you apply your gel" thread.
How do you apply your gel(s)?
Many of us were discussing how without product and styling our hair will revert to being nearly straight. We were also discussing how we felt like wavy imposters since our hair doesn't form waves without encouragement and how many of us didn't always consider our hair wavy.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
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http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 06-18-2010 at 08:44 AM.
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Originally Posted by finaleofseem Quote:
Originally Posted by curlywurlygurly Quote:
Originally Posted by pedaheh Me too. I have to either talk my hair into being straight or into being curly. Left to it's own devices, it's meh. That said, my curl pattern is much stronger since going CG.



this is one of those - oh it's not just me moments. I've always felt a little... bit like an wavy/culy impostor. If I get anywhere near my hair with a hairdryer no diffuser, it'll dry almost straight, with a "body wave" like shape (my really straightie friend is envious of this, i hate it!) but if I scrunch and/or add product waves appear. I've always got those annoying "kiss curls" at my nape or around my temples especially on humid/ rainy days

Now I don't feel so impostor-ish



Add me to the "almost straight without product/technique" camp. That's why, until I was 20 or so, I thought I had straight hair with a little extra body.

So, if you're all impostors, so am I. At least we're in good company.




I used to say "my hair is straight but has enough bend to be annoying." DUH RYMORG....bend is WURL......
OK, I'll try this again.

Sorry. I can't seem to get the quote to copy correctly. Click on the original thread to view it in a less confusing way.

I thought I had the kind of straight hair that didn't dry straight and required some fixing. Duh Peda. Do you know what you call "the kind of straight hair that doesn't dry straight"? That would be wavy. I actually started the CG method to cope with my dry hair and split ends. I didn't think my hair was wavy. I'm nearing 40, so figuring this out at 20 makes you seem like a genius in comparison Finale. I don't know what I thought my pre CG hair was, but I wouldn't have called it wavy exactly. Now I lovingly call my pre CG hair "naturally fuzzy".

I have a CG friend who calls her pre CG hair "naturally scraggly". She never really thought of her hair as wavy either.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 06-18-2010 at 09:00 AM.
Yes! Me too! I had extremely short hair for so long that I had no idea it was wavy/curly until I started growing it out in 2007. In fact, when I'd get my monthly hair cut the stylist would ask if I have curly hair because I'd get a lot of volume. I'd always reply that I have straight hair and she'd be surprised.

When I was a kid, I don't remember my hair having much of any texture at all.

This was my hair in 2004-ish.

Sort of CG sometimes, but not really
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I too have spent most of my life saying I had wave, but just enough to be annoying. I am older than most of you and just now working with the curl. For years my hairdresser kept discouraging me from working with the wave. Every summer I would be in hair hell, get all sweaty blowing it straight, walk outside and instant frizz! Working with the wave isn't perfect but it is definitely better.

Last edited by wurly60; 07-22-2010 at 05:54 PM.
I think "naturally scraggly" would have been the perfect definition for my hair. I've always felt a little as an imposter too...I see other curlies whose hair naturally springs up without scrunching; my daughter's hair does this. But mine, I've got to really scrunch to get it to wave nicely, otherwise it looks "scraggly" like it really needs a good run with the flat iron, LOL! I do recall as a young child that if I would play out in the rain I would get little ringlets around my temples and my hair would wave by itself.

I used to scrunch my hair and blow dry it "wavy" with some hair spray prior to my mod CG days, but it never looked as good as it does now. And my hair is sooo much healthier now!
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Help me test my most recent crackpot theory.
My theory is that the "wavy imposter" requires a "grabby" leave in and styling products.

This post explains it better then I will. Grabby vs. Slip.
Leave-in "grabbing" your hair OR leave-ins that DON'T have slip
Grabby leave-ins and products feel kind of glue like and sticky. The pull your hair together into clumps.

Products with slip make your hair easier to detangle. They tend to separate hair rather then pull it together. They feel slippery and slick.

I definitely need grabby products. The two grabby products I love are ecostyler and BRHG.

What is your vote?
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
This is a spin off from the "how do you apply your gel" thread.
How do you apply your gel(s)?
Many of us were discussing how without product and styling our hair will revert to being nearly straight. We were also discussing how we felt like wavy imposters since our hair doesn't form waves without encouragement and how many of us didn't always consider our hair wavy.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
I know I'm not a wavy, but I don't think that because you need hold products that you're imposters. I need hold products to form my curls as well and its b/c like some of you guys, I'm not highly textured. When you have a stronger pattern you don't need as much to make it come through.

Just cause you need more to make it come through, doesn't mean you aren't wavy. There are all sorts of degrees of texturization within any wave/curl spectrum.
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This thread is so interesting. It also makes me feel better Scraggly would be a good word for what my hair looks like naturally. I knew that I had some wave, but I also don't have the know-how to do anything with it. I am slowly learning! I have spent a great many years with a mass of frizzy sitting on my shoulders...eek!
My daughter was born with natural curls three years ago. I knew I had to learn more about curly hair so I could teach her to take care it. It started turning in my mind while reading all the tips on here that I can do something about my hair. I don't have to let it be fuzzy/frizzy and fight the straightening battle everyday. I am finally realizing it is okay to let it be wavy and that scrunching it does not mean that I don't have waves....they just have a mind of their own that needs a little loving and controlling!!
This is how I'm feeling right now. I'm brand new and am switching from daily straightning because of the insane fl humidity in the summer and my hairs frizz response. lol. But I am a bit overwhelmed and am wondering if it is worth it. I am wavy, not fine, but either a 2 or 3? I don't know. I'm working to try to figure out the right combo to get my waves to hold and its hard! I feel like I'm in 5th grade again, with no idea what to do with my hair when I just put it up every day and let it frizz.

I still have no idea about porosity, proteins, or which products will actually work with my hair.
This is a spin off from the "how do you apply your gel" thread.
How do you apply your gel(s)?
Many of us were discussing how without product and styling our hair will revert to being nearly straight. We were also discussing how we felt like wavy imposters since our hair doesn't form waves without encouragement and how many of us didn't always consider our hair wavy.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
I know I'm not a wavy, but I don't think that because you need hold products that you're imposters. I need hold products to form my curls as well and its b/c like some of you guys, I'm not highly textured. When you have a stronger pattern you don't need as much to make it come through.

Just cause you need more to make it come through, doesn't mean you aren't wavy. There are all sorts of degrees of texturization within any wave/curl spectrum.
Originally Posted by Naturalista

Oh this makes me feel better Naturalista, thanks!!!

I call what I have "wurl" because I don't feel right calling it curl but it's more than wave. So dare I say it???? RYMORG2 HAS NATURALLY CURLY HAIR?????!!!!

Omg that's so freeing!!!!! I feel like Freida on the Peanuts!!!!!

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For me it's not about products but more about how much moisture is in my hair, and technique. If my hair has too much moisture in it (like from my rinse-out), it tends to dry much straighter and not hold a curl well. Also, the technique for drying it... if I just brush it out it'd dry straighter, but if I scrunch it, it will be wavier. Products can help make it more manageable, but for me moisture level in the hair and technique make the biggest difference.
Help me test my most recent crackpot theory.
My theory is that the "wavy imposter" requires a "grabby" leave in and styling products.

This post explains it better then I will. Grabby vs. Slip.
Leave-in "grabbing" your hair OR leave-ins that DON'T have slip
Grabby leave-ins and products feel kind of glue like and sticky. The pull your hair together into clumps.

Products with slip make your hair easier to detangle. They tend to separate hair rather then pull it together. They feel slippery and slick.

I definitely need grabby products. The two grabby products I love are ecostyler and BRHG.

What is your vote?
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Yes, yes, yes!

As many of you know, I <3 me some Ecostyler Krystal. I need something sticky, or otherwise "grabby" in my stylers to get my hair to behave the way it does.

Conversely, I love slip in my rinse out.
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Pedaheh, thanks for starting this thread! I had no idea everybody would relate to the passing comment I made on the gels thread. I'm glad you started this... now I don't have to feel like I took over the other topic!

OH, you are SO RIGHT with the "grabby" products. I have known for awhile that the stickiest gels are best with me because they create the best clumps! Because my hair is dry, my hairdresser suggested I use curl-enhancing "creams". Dove has a cone-free one, so I bought it, but it really doesn't work. Haha I love how NC.com is way more helpful than an actual hair professional. Nobody knows your hair better than others with similar hair, right?
Some conditioners are also better at creating clumps than others. Has anyone else tried Samy's naturals line?I got awesome clumps with that one! it's so thick and rich which I love because my hair is dry.

I more-than-suspect that those of us who feel like "imposters" would also get very little curl with raking vs. scrunching? ALSO, does ice queen method really work on the rest of you guys? It's all in the scrunching, I'm telling you!

Also, what is ya'll's experience with messy buns? Personally, I'm a huge fan. I do them while I sleep because -- I'm guessing others will relate to this as well -- another reason I sometimes feel like an imposter is that my hair gets so much straighter if I sleep with it down! I also find that messy buns create waves in and of themselves, no product needed. I'm a lifeguard and if I teach a swimming lesson (so my hair is wet), have my hair in a messy bun, work for several more hours and then come home, my hair is quite wavy when I take it down. Lots wavier than if it dried down with no product!

Sorry for the novel...if anyone else is relating to a lot of what I have to say, let me know because I would love a hair twin!
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Me, me! I have a very weak wave pattern. When it dries without any product, it poufs out from my head which I call "triangle head." I think this is mostly because I have tons and tons of hair!

I remember a hair stylist (I just go to one of the cheap places) commenting on the fact that I have wavy hair and I was totally confused. The next time I went some place different and she said I "had the ability to be wavy." I like my hair wavy but it's a lot of work!
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Yes! Me too! I had extremely short hair for so long that I had no idea it was wavy/curly until I started growing it out in 2007. In fact, when I'd get my monthly hair cut the stylist would ask if I have curly hair because I'd get a lot of volume. I'd always reply that I have straight hair and she'd be surprised.

When I was a kid, I don't remember my hair having much of any texture at all.

This was my hair in 2004-ish.

Originally Posted by Cheetara
this is exactly me. I've always had va-va-voom hair but didn't realize i was a wavy. Just thought it was , well, valoomanous (jeez I can't spell
Posted by Maggie 79:
I feel like I'm in 5th grade again, with no idea what to do with my hair when I just put it up every day and let it frizz.
That's funny because I say the exact same thing. When you start CG you definitely feel like you are styling your hair at a 5th grade level. And, unlike the actual 5th grade, you are the only one styling at a 5th grade level.

Posted by Emilylouise:
I more-than-suspect that those of us who feel like "imposters" would also get very little curl with raking vs. scrunching? ALSO, does ice queen method really work on the rest of you guys? It's all in the scrunching, I'm telling you!
I absolutely vote scrunching and not raking. I do my own version of the icequeen method. Love the icequeen!
I think scrunching and the icequeen method would have a high success rate for wavies with a weak curl pattern.
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Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 06-18-2010 at 09:30 PM.
Thanks pedaheh! This is a great thread makes me feel so much better. I can't believe so many people out there were/are in the same boat as me, i was oblivious. My hair has always had a mind of it's own, but I've always thought it was just thanks to my crazy cowlick.

the "grabby" product idea seems to make sense. I've used products (leave in's) pre cg that were stickier and had hold, all i would do was spread some through when wet and let it air dry (my after diving- springboard routine) and i'd get some waves.

I think also the fact that i sometimes feel like an curly impostor is that my hair is never really consistent, and others see it in all sorts of states. Right now I'm re-learning my hair and what it like as it grows out, so I'm experimenting a lot with mixed results. The different lengths all make a difference too.The other day I had done my hair the night before and gone to bed with it crunchy in hope it would hold up for an early start the next day. I woke up and it was all over the place but I didn't have time to worry about it, so I scrunch a little extra water put on a headband and left. To my surprise later when I caught a look I had spirals. Even one of my friends asked if I had curled it that day! Yet other days my hair will be lifeless and hardly wave at all.

ok enough ramble from me
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Scraggly! I love it. I also love Wurly. Definitely the best definition for my hair. I also have discovered I love "grabby" products. I just recently found BRHG and it's my new HG. And I'm also in love with the IceQueen method. I can't rake. It just pulls out my curl. It looks like I must go find some Ecosytler now. Good thing I have to go to Hobby Lobby anyway (which is right next door to Sally's!)
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