Is my hair curly enough for CG?

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Hey everyone,

After years and years of blowdrying and straightening my hair, and despairing when it inevitably frizzed up again in the summer (or getting snowed on, or sweaty, or even the slightest bit damp), I've had a revelation of sorts and decided to embrace my waves. I bought products designated for curls, got a new layered haircut from a place that specializes in curly and wavy hair, and started "plopping," scrunching, air drying, and all of that.

On the whole, I like it, but after looking through the before and after thread today I'm wondering if the famous CG method might give me even better results. Trouble is, while my hair absolutely isn't straight, it absolutely isn't curly either. Has anyone else tried CG while in this sort of in-between state? If so, what did it look like?

Below are pictures for some idea of what I'm talking about. The non-CG products I used:

Ouidad Playcurl Volumizing Shampoo (contains sodium laureth sulfate)
Ouidad Playcurl Volumizing Conditioner (CG-safe, I think)
scrunched into wet hair:
Ouidad Playcurl Volumizing Foam (CG-safe, I think)
scrunched into damp hair after plopping:
Carol's Daughter Hair Milk Lite (contains dimethicone, cyclopentasiloxane, and phenyl trimethicone)

What do you think? Is going silicone- and sulfate-free likely to make a difference in the amount of curl, given I'm already using many of the styling methods recommended here?

Forgive the photo whoring; I wanted to show a few different angles. Thanks in advance!








I checked your products, and you are right the Quidad shampoo is not cg, the conditioner is (props for spotting the peg cone), and the hair milk is not CG.
The Quidad foam is throwing me for a loop. I was expecting mousse ingredients ,but no... (ingredients from quidad website)
Water, Sodium Polystyrene Sulfonate, Steareth-100, Glycerin, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Arnica Montana Flower Extract, Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary) Leaf Extract, Camellia Sinensis (Green Tea) Leaf Extract, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Panthenol (Provitamin B5), Polysorbate 20, Butylene Glycol, Fragrance, Disodium EDTA, Diazolidinyl Urea, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate
What the heck is this stuff? I've never seen anything like this (not that I am an expert or anything). Cocamidopropyl Benatine is a very mild surficant use in cleansing conditioners and low (non sulfate) shampoos.
Sulfosuccinates are mild cleansing agents and should be O.K. with the CG method. See this curl chemist article.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...lfates-and-you
I still don't know what the first ingredient is. It may be a sulfate.
The important question. Is it CG? Bellasauna, who I would consider an ingredients expert, says it is OK for CG in this thread.
Can someone take a look at these ingredients?

My best guess is that this is a cleansing foam? Very intriguing.

O.K. Now I've got that out of the way. Welcome to the wavy boards Saroyan. Yes, I think you are wavy enough to try CG. CG does not work for everyone, but it works so great for many of us that is is worth a try. Odds are you will need an occasional low poo (or just use your foam stuff?). There are lots of us who don't think we have enough wave to be here. See this thread "the wavy imposter"
Spin off thread: The wavy imposter, it is not just you.
People with a week wave pattern tend to like the ice queen method, scrunching in products, at least one grabby product (see the link I posted in the thread, 1/3 of the way down the first page), and hard hold gels (or other styling products).
Also be sure to check this thread, hair biography, for people with similar hair and see which techniques and product they use.
Share your Hair Biography

One of the important reasons people find out their hair's properties is to get an idea whether their hair will like protein or not. You already know your hair will like at least some protein, because your conditioner has protein.
Your curl pattern is 2a. I'd guess your thickness is thin (but on the medium side) and your texture is either fine or medium. You will also need to figure out your porosity.
Check these two links for more info.
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...and-curly-hair
http://thewavytales.blogspot.com/200...wavy-hair.html
Good luck.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Thanks for the advice and links, pedaheh! Very helpful. I think I will use up the non-CG shampoo and products first, before I spend money on even more hair products, but I'll read up on the method and try full CG after that.

Your assessment of my hair seems pretty accurate, by the way: my hair stylist says I have very thick hair, but the strands themselves are quite fine, so the overall thickness is medium-thin. My porosity is medium, I think, but I'm not sure. I'll read through the links you posted. I can relate to the "wavy impostor" feeling!

Last edited by Saroyan; 07-19-2010 at 07:17 PM.
Before plunking down a ton of money on new products (after using up your Ouidad), you can order sample sizes from KathyMack! Its a great way to try out new stuff without going broke

http://public.fotki.com/kathymack/products/

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...er.php?u=31299
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- 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
- MOP C Hydrating 'poo
- LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
- treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
- plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
Well, mine was straight. Stick straight. Baby fine (but plenty of it) straight end of June.

I am amazed that in just 3 weeks time of putting away my flat iron and trying the cg method that I can actually say that I have some curl! Not just wave!

My hair is shiny and healthy. I cannot wait to see what is like in another month, then 6, then 12!

I am super indebted to the patient ladies here who have dispensed advice, shared their experiences and have diagnosed my mishaps and offered correction.

It has been a product roller coaster ride. Product worked twice, but not again. Some things were complete flops for me. Buying samples (definitely find kathymack) is the way to go. I am slowly finding what works and what does not. Every head is different!

Best to you as you discover all that is best for your hair!!
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Thanks for the advice and links, pedaheh! Very helpful. I think I will use up the non-CG shampoo and products first, before I spend money on even more hair products, but I'll read up on the method and try full CG after that.

Your assessment of my hair seems pretty accurate, by the way: my hair stylist says I have very thick hair, but the strands themselves are quite fine, so the overall thickness is medium-thin. My porosity is medium, I think, but I'm not sure. I'll read through the links you posted. I can relate to the "wavy impostor" feeling!
Originally Posted by Saroyan
A lot of curlies love Ouidad products so if they're working for you, then go with it. If you want to get into the swing of things here, maybe you can use the NC methods of styling. Things that work for me personally are ice queen (final rinse in cold water), plopping, clipping and scrunching out the crunch. Probably just by changing your styling method rather than products you can enhance your wave quite a bit.
Sort of CG sometimes, but not really
2B, medium? normal porosity and elasticity?

Cleansers -
Suave Clarifying, Philosophy Happy Birthday Beautiful

Stylers - BRHG, re:coil, Ion Hairspray

I live in the NYC area.


You have a LOT of potential in your hair for some beautiful waves. Hollywood hair is what I think you will have (that is what my stylist calls those full beachy waves).

Just remember that if you have been flat-ironing and blow-drying for a long time then it may take some time for your hair to show its natural curl pattern to the fullest. So be patient...you WILL see more curl as your hair gets more healthy.
FIA: 2cFii

Lady Crispina, Confector of Pharmaceutria and Conjurer of Exquisitus JuJu, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I'd try some protein treatments as well. Spiral Solutions Repairing Protein Treatment (SS RPT) is a great one. I definitely get curlier after using it. I haven't tried any others though. Fine hair is usually very receptive to protein, and the nice thing with SS is that you can rub the excess treatments on your arms and legs like a moisturizer/lotion, including Deeply Decadent Moisture Treatment (DDMT), and it is makes the skin soft and smooth and not gummy at all. Runner's products are all good like that. Natural, not sticky, smell wonderful, work great! Kathymack has some samples of SS. I know I want to try more of her stuff, including the protein spray and pending cleansers.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

my hair stylist says I have very thick hair
Very thick, huh? Well I was wayyyy off on thickness.
I agree with Plunky, fine and very fine hair usually likes protein treatments no matter what the porosity. Several people I know of who have tried every PT out there say Spiral Solutions is the best. If you order samples, get lots of Spiral Solutions samples, because fine haired wavies seem to love her products.
Here are some links you might want to check out.
The Wavy Tales Blog. Alexjoujou has tried everything and gives great product reviews. The side bar makes the blog easily searchable.
http://thewavytales.blogspot.com/
This is a great article on protein/moisture balance in hair. It is about African American hair, but refers to all hair.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...re.html?cat=69

Two methods that have worked for me to add curl/waves (other then the ones I've already mentioned) are plopping, pixie curl method of diffusing, and Smasters consistently awesome hair technique.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 07-22-2010 at 11:57 AM. Reason: forgot link
Welcome Saroyan! You've got lots of good advice already so I'm just chiming in to add that I found the use of techniques to be much more influential than going CG. I had straight hair until puberty at which point I was ecstatic with my new waves and read the Curly Girl book fairly early on in my journey. Over the last 5 or 6 years since then, I've gone CG, modified CG, and completely non-CG, but through it all I've been using products designed for curly hair and techniques suggested for curly hair - scrunching, icequeen method, drying with a t-shirt, leaving in some conditioner, etc. and though my hair has had its ups and downs, it has always received compliments. It has been my experience that good technique and some good products are the key to beautiful wavy hair, whether or not said good products are necessarily CG. That being said, even when not in a CG phase I have always been careful not to strip my hair of its natural moisture. Get to know your hair and play around with what works.

Sorry for the rambling. I hope this could be helpful. I know my experience is not everyone's, and lots of people swear by CG, but for me, a good quality moisturizing shampoo, condish, gel, and lots of scrunching work GREAT, whether the products are CG are not.
BSL 2Cmiii
normal/high porosity, normal elasticity.








I think you have the very loose rock-star waves and more important than products is haircut! 2 of my DD have hair like this and long layers look fantastic on them no matter what products they use.

You might be able to get more waves with scrunching and gel but I do not think it would look better, the loose wave is a very nice hair type to have.
2c / C / iii (FIA)
Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

Henna!
Thank you so, so much for all of your advice. I tried the "Ice Queen" yesterday (same products, except the Hair Milk which I'm returning) and it still looked messy, but the waves seemed to have more definition. I'll keep playing with it!

I also have to say that getting these positive comments about my hair feels amazing. I'm so used to having "problem hair" and never knowing what to do with it, so this is quite a change.

Oh, and... editing to add that I'm still growing out some bangs from when I kept my hair straightened. I'm sure it'll look much better as soon as those are gone!

Last edited by Saroyan; 07-24-2010 at 12:46 PM.
Double posting because I had to share this picture of my second day using the Ice Queen method. I have a wave pattern! Who knew!


Last edited by Saroyan; 07-24-2010 at 04:47 PM.
Ooooh. Pretty.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
It's amazing to go back and read what I posted in the first stages of embracing wavy hair, even though it was only two months ago! I'm glad I had the foresight to take a good set of "before" pictures; I'll have to come back and post the "afters." Looking at these pictures is reminding me how badly I need a haircut...
2a, very fine, very thick, protein-loving, not especially porous. cg since july 2010.

cleanse: cj daily fix, vo5 vanilla mint tea
condition: marie dean anything, db pumpkin seed, cj curl assurance, cj beauticurls
style: cj beauticurls leave-in, cj curl queen, cj cccc lite, kccc, homemade fsg, db coconut & hibiscus oil, ecostyler
treatments: ss repairing protein, ss deeply decadent
techniques: icequeen, plopping, scrunching upside down, pixie diffusing
welcome saroyn
your hair looks very similar to what mine looked pre-cg or even when I blow dry straight (my underneaths always decided to do some weird wave thing). Or even what my hair looks like "naked".

I don't think anyone can not have enough curl to be cg, I think the basics of cg (gentle care and lots of moisture) would be beneficial to anyone.

You hair is looking beautiful, and I can see the difference 2months in. Hopefully your having a better time sorting things out.
2 something Australian

http://public.fotki.com/curlywurlygurly/
pw:aussie

Aiming to grow hair to waist from buzz cut - slowly but surely.

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