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Old 07-23-2010, 09:46 AM   #1
 
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Default My use of thinning shears is starting to show. *sigh*

For years my hair has been very dry and fluffy. My way of combating that was to thin the crown area with thinning shears to take away the mop look.

Now that I have been following a modified CG my hair is a lot healthier and is forming nice smooth waves starting just below my chin. The problem is that the hair growing from my crown has been thinned and now looks bad in comparison to everything else. Its not that it looks thin, it just has longer strands that stick out in random directions.

I'm debating what to do about this. Any suggestions? To cut the layers shorter would bring them up above chin level, but this is something that I am considering. I know its going to take a while for all the thinned areas to grow out.

I will try to post a pic later in the day once my hair has dried so you can see what I mean.
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Before I went CG I had been getting a cut where my hairdresser used the sheers all over my head. I have just below the shoulder, very thick hair. She would use the flat iron and I would blow dry it when doing it myself, flat iron only now and then.

Went to a new hairdresser and he was not at all happy with the look the thinning shears had given my hair. What he did was take about an inch off and then left the the last layers that were considerably shorter so they could then grow out gradually w/o taking a lot of length off.

Could you either wait a little longer for your crown to grow out or just cut the rest of your hair a little bit shorter than you normally do so there is less contrast of the two lengths? Obviously you don't want to cut it that short but just taking off some of the length will make the crown seem that much longer...

Just an idea...
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Cousin-Itt, I'm a stylist, so I'll be looking for your pic to see if I can give you some recommendations.
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Hi Rymorg! I think it is great that you take the time to share your professional advice here on this forum. It shows you are truly passionate for your craft.

I have a general question about the thinning sheers phenomenon recently. It just seems like many of the stylists I have seen have been thinning sheer crazy recently....I did like my hair when it was first done and I flat ironed it but when it grew out it was like it was pointy everywhere....Is that just what is done these days for those people trying to get stick straight hair???

Don't mean to highjack this thread but just wondering.
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Hi Rymorg! I think it is great that you take the time to share your professional advice here on this forum. It shows you are truly passionate for your craft.

I have a general question about the thinning sheers phenomenon recently. It just seems like many of the stylists I have seen have been thinning sheer crazy recently....I did like my hair when it was first done and I flat ironed it but when it grew out it was like it was pointy everywhere....Is that just what is done these days for those people trying to get stick straight hair???

Don't mean to highjack this thread but just wondering.
I would like to know too because I've been a victim of the thinning shears and it's always boggled me! I heard it was murder for curly hair but didn't really get it until it happened to me. I already have fine and thin hair- so I'm REALLY not sure what the hell this stylist was thinking. I have since told her NOT to use the thinning shears on me (I've seen her three times total) and she responded with, "of course not! I would NEVER use thinning shears on your type of hair!" .... ???

So I guess my question is... I know thinning shears are used to get rid of bulk, but what would be the purpose of using them on thin and fine hair? Or any kind of curly hair? My MIL has thick, coarse curly hair and thinning shears have ruined her curl too. Is this tool really only meant for straighties???
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Hi Rymorg! I think it is great that you take the time to share your professional advice here on this forum. It shows you are truly passionate for your craft.

I have a general question about the thinning sheers phenomenon recently. It just seems like many of the stylists I have seen have been thinning sheer crazy recently....I did like my hair when it was first done and I flat ironed it but when it grew out it was like it was pointy everywhere....Is that just what is done these days for those people trying to get stick straight hair???

Don't mean to highjack this thread but just wondering.

Awww, thank you! I'm glad to do it.

A lot of stylists ARE thinning shear crazy. They think that removing bulk is going to be the end all, be all of helping you to get that straight look. Personally, I totally stopped thinning out my hair about 5 years ago and have fewer issues with flyaways and frizz because of it.

I don't usually recommend thinning out fine hair, even if that person has fine but dense hair (a lot of hair) like me. If it's not done right, you get the points or the flyaways and things like that. I have UBER amounts of hair and if I don't have the stylists I teach do it to my hair (even when they ask) that should tell you something.
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LOL!

Fine curly hair can sometimes be decieving. It looks thicker than it is a lot of the time. Believe me I've heard clients tell me the same thing happened to them, with the same reaction. I have NO idea what those stylists are thinking!

Most stylists tend to want to grab thinning shears when a client complains of "triangle head". I'm telling you now, though, that even though the thinning shears are a quick fix for that, it's a very TEMPORARY one that HAS to be done correctly. It's not a tool that I only recommend to straighties....but it has to be done right. I don't know how many of my stylists in the stores I have in my area that I teach in that I've had to redirect and tell them they were thinning WAY too much and WAY too close to the scalp. Some of them even go ALL THE WAY to the scalp.

If you really want it done, like your MIL (which I think it may be beneficial for her but again if it's done right) then they should only do it in the last few inches, depending on the length of the hair. It does give a softness and texture, but it's something that is easily done incorrectly and that takes a long time to recover from.

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I would like to know too because I've been a victim of the thinning shears and it's always boggled me! I heard it was murder for curly hair but didn't really get it until it happened to me. I already have fine and thin hair- so I'm REALLY not sure what the hell this stylist was thinking. I have since told her NOT to use the thinning shears on me (I've seen her three times total) and she responded with, "of course not! I would NEVER use thinning shears on your type of hair!" .... ???

So I guess my question is... I know thinning shears are used to get rid of bulk, but what would be the purpose of using them on thin and fine hair? Or any kind of curly hair? My MIL has thick, coarse curly hair and thinning shears have ruined her curl too. Is this tool really only meant for straighties???
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Here are a couple of pictures. I hope you can clearly see the whispies that are around chin level. Not the best hair day for me because I ran out of time this morning and did not have time to put gel in.

Thanks for the idea GirlSailor. I may have to go a bit shorter. That is an ongoing debate for me.

I did try to correct it a little bit yesterday by carefully snipping off some of the really straggly looking ends.

Rymorg, I really appreciate your taking the time to share your professional advice. Thank you!
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Here are a couple of pictures. I hope you can clearly see the whispies that are around chin level. Not the best hair day for me because I ran out of time this morning and did not have time to put gel in.

Thanks for the idea GirlSailor. I may have to go a bit shorter. That is an ongoing debate for me.

I did try to correct it a little bit yesterday by carefully snipping off some of the really straggly looking ends.

Rymorg, I really appreciate your taking the time to share your professional advice. Thank you!

No problem, my pleasure!

I think that girlsailor is right, that you should go a bit shorter, and take the layers a bit shorter to get rid of some of the fringiness. I think that CG is making your hair better (hooray!!) and that thinning is not the answer now. You're to the point where I wouldn't recommend it. I also, however, don't think it's as bad as you do! Maybe take a few inches off the bottom and an inch or two off the layers (ask for long layers) to help it to lay sleeker to your head. Taking better care of your hair is a good thing, but those thinning shears can be monstrous on our curly or wurly hair.
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It may not be as bad as I think it is. Some days I don't notice it as much as other days.

I don't plan on using those thinning shears again. In the past it was always a last resort after returning from getting my hair cut and not liking how the hair was falling. I know better now.

Thanks so much for the advice! Now I know what direction to go. I just need to find a stylist locally.
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It may not be as bad as I think it is. Some days I don't notice it as much as other days.

I don't plan on using those thinning shears again. In the past it was always a last resort after returning from getting my hair cut and not liking how the hair was falling. I know better now.

Thanks so much for the advice! Now I know what direction to go. I just need to find a stylist locally.

YW!!
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LOL!

Fine curly hair can sometimes be decieving. It looks thicker than it is a lot of the time. Believe me I've heard clients tell me the same thing happened to them, with the same reaction. I have NO idea what those stylists are thinking!

Most stylists tend to want to grab thinning shears when a client complains of "triangle head". I'm telling you now, though, that even though the thinning shears are a quick fix for that, it's a very TEMPORARY one that HAS to be done correctly. It's not a tool that I only recommend to straighties....but it has to be done right. I don't know how many of my stylists in the stores I have in my area that I teach in that I've had to redirect and tell them they were thinning WAY too much and WAY too close to the scalp. Some of them even go ALL THE WAY to the scalp.

If you really want it done, like your MIL (which I think it may be beneficial for her but again if it's done right) then they should only do it in the last few inches, depending on the length of the hair. It does give a softness and texture, but it's something that is easily done incorrectly and that takes a long time to recover from.

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I would like to know too because I've been a victim of the thinning shears and it's always boggled me! I heard it was murder for curly hair but didn't really get it until it happened to me. I already have fine and thin hair- so I'm REALLY not sure what the hell this stylist was thinking. I have since told her NOT to use the thinning shears on me (I've seen her three times total) and she responded with, "of course not! I would NEVER use thinning shears on your type of hair!" .... ???

So I guess my question is... I know thinning shears are used to get rid of bulk, but what would be the purpose of using them on thin and fine hair? Or any kind of curly hair? My MIL has thick, coarse curly hair and thinning shears have ruined her curl too. Is this tool really only meant for straighties???
I've never had that deceiving problem, lol. It's pretty much very obvious, unfortunately for me, that it is not thick in the least.

I've never ever actually wanted it done or asked for it (being thinned out). And I have never complained of triangle head either lol. That's why I was thinking that if people wanted straight styles thinning shears were the way to go because I couldn't fathom why else they would do it on curly hair. MIL was silly and asked for it once because she thought it would help get rid of her bulk, she asked for short layers and to have it thinned out, and her stylist happens to be very good with curls and is her cousin and advised against it for her, but she did it anyway because it's what MIL wanted. She ended up wearing her hair pretty much straight until it grew out because it was bad.

Thanks for your insight rymorg2 it's nice to know the story from the other side of the chair!
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LOL!

Fine curly hair can sometimes be decieving. It looks thicker than it is a lot of the time. Believe me I've heard clients tell me the same thing happened to them, with the same reaction. I have NO idea what those stylists are thinking!

Most stylists tend to want to grab thinning shears when a client complains of "triangle head". I'm telling you now, though, that even though the thinning shears are a quick fix for that, it's a very TEMPORARY one that HAS to be done correctly. It's not a tool that I only recommend to straighties....but it has to be done right. I don't know how many of my stylists in the stores I have in my area that I teach in that I've had to redirect and tell them they were thinning WAY too much and WAY too close to the scalp. Some of them even go ALL THE WAY to the scalp.

If you really want it done, like your MIL (which I think it may be beneficial for her but again if it's done right) then they should only do it in the last few inches, depending on the length of the hair. It does give a softness and texture, but it's something that is easily done incorrectly and that takes a long time to recover from.

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I would like to know too because I've been a victim of the thinning shears and it's always boggled me! I heard it was murder for curly hair but didn't really get it until it happened to me. I already have fine and thin hair- so I'm REALLY not sure what the hell this stylist was thinking. I have since told her NOT to use the thinning shears on me (I've seen her three times total) and she responded with, "of course not! I would NEVER use thinning shears on your type of hair!" .... ???

So I guess my question is... I know thinning shears are used to get rid of bulk, but what would be the purpose of using them on thin and fine hair? Or any kind of curly hair? My MIL has thick, coarse curly hair and thinning shears have ruined her curl too. Is this tool really only meant for straighties???
I've never had that deceiving problem, lol. It's pretty much very obvious, unfortunately for me, that it is not thick in the least.

I've never ever actually wanted it done or asked for it (being thinned out). And I have never complained of triangle head either lol. That's why I was thinking that if people wanted straight styles thinning shears were the way to go because I couldn't fathom why else they would do it on curly hair. MIL was silly and asked for it once because she thought it would help get rid of her bulk, she asked for short layers and to have it thinned out, and her stylist happens to be very good with curls and is her cousin and advised against it for her, but she did it anyway because it's what MIL wanted. She ended up wearing her hair pretty much straight until it grew out because it was bad.

Thanks for your insight rymorg2 it's nice to know the story from the other side of the chair!

I have NO idea why they'd use thinning shears on you if that's the case LOL. YW.....
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Thanks Rymorg2 for answering my shears question...I now see I was not spelling it correctly.

Cousin-Itt, my hair looked almost exactly like yours when I would let it dry naturally and didn't blow dry and use the straight iron. I actually think your's is quite beautiful, but I understand your frustration because I remember how mine would whip out on the ends or just looked really bulky in the middle but then skinny on the ends.

Anyway, my last hairdresser was so great. He explained that we was going to take about and inch off and he really did make a huge difference but just left the two layers above the blunt end to grow out. It behaves much better.

About two months after seeing him I then found NC and started trying to go CG and the cut while a bit heavy I think for my wavy/curly hair is so much better.

Good Luck!
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