PT recipe - as promised - Page 5

solidgold · 06-16-2011, 08:53 AM

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solidgold · 06-16-2011, 08:54 AM

Sproing! Great PT today. It really perked everything up. My hair felt great as I rinsed out the PT, and it looks so much better and curlier after drying.

I'll have to give the Queen Helene products a few more tries to be able to give a full report in the product review thread, but today, I really like the stuff!

IAgirl · 06-16-2011, 09:27 AM

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About to do this again, but without the coconut oil. I did a coconut oil pre-poo on Sunday instead.
1/2 cup chamomile tea
1/4 cup ACV
1/2 packet gelatin
couple drops honey--couldn't get any more out of the bottle

Will apply to freshly washed hair and leave under shower cap for 5 min, then rinse, condition, and style. Will report back.

P.S. trying Queen Helene shampoo and condish and styling creme today.

Is this correct - you used 1/4 CUP vinegar? And you got a really good PT? That's very vinegary. And very interesting! Aloe juice is acidic too (and nicer for those of us who get itchy from vinegar) - maybe I'll have to try that. Thanks, Solidgold.

solidgold · 06-16-2011, 09:31 AM

Well, I eyeballed the amount of ACV--I wanted to finish up the bottle because there was only a little bit left. I'm estimating 1/4 c.

I mixed everything together in an 8oz mug, so I'm pretty sure it was just about 1/4 c.

I usually use about 1/4 c. in about 2 c. water if I'm doing a straight ACV rinse... No negative after effects (except for a mild ACV smell until my next shampoo).

LadyJennifer · 06-23-2011, 06:42 PM

I'm a newbie here, and I'm excited to try this out tomorrow! My hair looooves protein and I ran out of my Aubrey Organics GPB and it's been seeming a bit sad and limp lately. Hoping this will give it a boost!

curlylaura · 08-14-2011, 06:33 AM

I can't remember the last time I did a hair experiment so I'm starting again with this one.

I have some of the mixture on my hair right now wrapped in sandwich wrap. My hair is so badly ruined with bleaching I thought this could help. It's also a lot cheaper than the Aphogee Two Step Protein Treatment for Damaged Hair which is over £17 on Amazon. I hope this works.

swtndspcy · 08-14-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by curlylaura

I can't remember the last time I did a hair experiment so I'm starting again with this one.

I have some of the mixture on my hair right now wrapped in sandwich wrap. My hair is so badly ruined with bleaching I thought this could help. It's also a lot cheaper than the Aphogee Two Step Protein Treatment for Damaged Hair which is over £17 on Amazon. I hope this works.

If you use the mag sulfate (Epsom Salt) and blow dry it in, it gives me the exact same results.

curlylaura · 08-14-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by curlylaura

I can't remember the last time I did a hair experiment so I'm starting again with this one.

I have some of the mixture on my hair right now wrapped in sandwich wrap. My hair is so badly ruined with bleaching I thought this could help. It's also a lot cheaper than the Aphogee Two Step Protein Treatment for Damaged Hair which is over £17 on Amazon. I hope this works.

If you use the mag sulfate (Epsom Salt) and blow dry it in, it gives me the exact same results.

Really? I'll pick some up tomorrow then.

How often should I do this?

swtndspcy · 08-14-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by curlylaura

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Originally Posted by swtndspcy

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Originally Posted by curlylaura

I can't remember the last time I did a hair experiment so I'm starting again with this one.

I have some of the mixture on my hair right now wrapped in sandwich wrap. My hair is so badly ruined with bleaching I thought this could help. It's also a lot cheaper than the Aphogee Two Step Protein Treatment for Damaged Hair which is over £17 on Amazon. I hope this works.

If you use the mag sulfate (Epsom Salt) and blow dry it in, it gives me the exact same results.

Really? I'll pick some up tomorrow then.

How often should I do this?

Using the blow dry method is a pretty strong PT, I do it about 4-6 weeks with a few less strong PT's in between, usually using IAgirl's suggestion of using a plastic cap (or plastic bag, or saran wrap or whatever you have) over the PT in the shower and stand under the hot shower for about 5 minutes.
But my hair loves protein. Everyone's hair is different, though. I'd say do it as often as you feel you need it. I can tell when I need a PT when my waves droop and my hair starts drying out over the course of the day (from porosity).

Morgan_Adcock · 08-15-2011, 12:38 PM

Magnesium sulfate is a salt, and can be drying to your hair.

IAgirl · 08-15-2011, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock

Magnesium sulfate is a salt, and can be drying to your hair.

Indeed. But it is also extremely hygroscopic - humectant, attracting water to itself like crazy. But I suspected that the reason it was included in the Aphogee 2-step was for helping it "set up" upon blow-drying (long ago in this thread).
It seems to work, but if it's drying, it can be left out.

swtndspcy · 08-15-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Morgan_Adcock

Magnesium sulfate is a salt, and can be drying to your hair.

Indeed. But it is also extremely hygroscopic - humectant, attracting water to itself like crazy. But I suspected that the reason it was included in the Aphogee 2-step was for helping it "set up" upon blow-drying (long ago in this thread).
It seems to work, but if it's drying, it can be left out.

I have found that the PT doesn't get hard without it. And it's kinda gross having it run down your face and back if you are blow-drying it in.
I was, of course, comparing that version to Aphogee 2 step which also has mag sulfate.
But the beauty of IAgirl's PT is you put in it what you want, and nothing you don't.

Morgan_Adcock · 08-16-2011, 04:01 PM

Good to know it serves a purpose!

IAgirl · 08-16-2011, 04:45 PM

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Good to know it serves a purpose!

Yes! Way back when this thread began, I was trying to duplicate Aphogee 2-step and magnesium sulfate way up on the ingredient list (#3 or 4?) and the only purpose I could make sense of was that it did what Swtndspcy described so well (no running down the neck).

But it can really give you that well-dried hay feeling...

supersoup · 08-17-2011, 10:24 PM

Thanks for this awesome, inexpensive recipe! Here's a question: can you use sea salt in place of mag. sulfate? I've seen being interchangeable in other recipes, so I was wondering if this was the case here.

IAgirl · 08-18-2011, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by supersoup

Thanks for this awesome, inexpensive recipe! Here's a question: can you use sea salt in place of mag. sulfate? I've seen being interchangeable in other recipes, so I was wondering if this was the case here.

Not sure... Sea salt is used in curl enhancing spray or gel or to give your hair that "ocean wind" look - in which case it's left in. The PT (obviously) is rinsed out.

The mag sulfate, as far as I could tell, was meant to help the gelatin stay gelled while a person blow-dried the PT into their hair - otherwise it tends to "melt" when exposed to heat. Sea salt may have a similar effect. You'd have to try it to see if it gave you any benefit!

We never decided whether the mag sulfate had any other positive effect, the high-heat seems to be a bigger influence (if one chooses to blow-dry their PT until it's all hard and crunchy).

curlylaura · 08-20-2011, 04:22 AM

I've figured out how often I need to do this. My hair goes stringy when wet when it needs protein. I may get the chance to do it tomorrow evening. I'm going to try it with Epsom Salts this time round.

goobernut · 09-19-2011, 05:31 PM

Okay, so I tried the recipe this weekend! However, I realized my gelatin was about 9 months out of date. It "gelled" fine, so I'm guessing it was okay -- I'm not really worried about bacterial growth in the dry powder (maybe I should? lol)

I couldn't really tell that I'd had a protein hit. SO, either I am seriously needing more protein, or it was the old gelatin. I did put in the oil while it was pretty warm (I figured I'd get better distribution that way).

I think its because I've not been good about doing protein treatments -- I didn't really need them as much as when my hair was damaged.

Also, I know at the beginning of this thread IAgirl talked about adding mag sulfate and that we weren't really sure why it was originally put there -- as an additional note, I know of one other protein "repairing" product that adds mag sulfate -- Redken CAT. I really liked it. Its a spray on in the shower that you leave for 5 mins, and then rinse out. Just thought that was an interesting note.

Lahomajayne · 09-19-2011, 06:03 PM

I tried this today and it seems to have made a difference in the texture of my hair - it seems a little less superfine/limp after the treatment than before - I will do this once a week and see if it improves things. I did notice that my waves seemed a little more wavy afterward too which is always a bonus!

Cheers to IAgirl for posting it up and doing all the sciency stuff for us!

IAgirl · 09-19-2011, 10:10 PM

Yay for protein! And for DIY hair stuff.
Goobernut, I agree with you about PTs being extra super for damaged hair.
I used to swim 2x per week. But I have not all summer and I notice that I get OCd with a full-strength PT. I also use more protein-containing products, so I do't need a PT often.
Interesting about the Mg sulfate in the Redken. I think it really does give a different result with vs. without it. But not necessarily the same result for everybody. It truly does help if you blow-dry the PT in so it's not runny...