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Old 03-03-2011, 11:28 PM   #1
 
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Unhappy Need help! with EVERYTHING!!! (plus hair-life story)

At this time I have all the way from 2b to 3a curls and I am at a loss for what to do and don't know where to start,so let's just start at the beginning...

But when I was little I had 3b-c spiral curls all over
Then as I got older my hair got longer and longer,getting less and less curly,with only an occasional trim by my mom(who is a straighty and hasn't a clue about curly/wavy hair)
In my early teens my hair was down to the top of my booty and stayed there for about 5 yrs. (about that time I started using mousse to tame my what was now wavy hair,but still frizzy)

Then just last year I finally got my hair cut to just below my shoulders,with layers,it looked really good fixed with a curling iron but not GREAT with mousse.So now my hair is layered longest layers to the middle of my back with the shortest layers chin length.My hair still looks great curled but not great with mousse/gel and I've tried every mousse/gel walmart carries!

When my hair dries natural with no product it is frizzy, wavy underneath and around one side of my face and poofy on top.
When I use mousse/gel my hair is flat/greasyish on top and around my face but wavy and a little frizzy underneath...
I hate how flat my hair is on top,how yucky and ineffective with product,how frizzy and not curly when natural and how my hair is cut...

So need suggestions on...
What type of product
What type of cut (pics would be nice)
What to do to my natural hair
How to fix frizziness underneath and keep curls
How to make top curlier and less flat

And any other suggestions you may have


P.S. Does the DevaCut work on my type of hair and what do I tell a stylist who doesn't know what a devacut is? Since there are no stylist within 300 miles of where I live...
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:51 AM   #2
 
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What kind of methods have you tried? Do you comb in the product or scrunch? Diffuse, air dry or both? Plopping? Etc... I find that methods are just as important, if not more, as the product.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:34 AM   #3
 
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I'd suggest you look into the curly girl (CG) method. Most people here use it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:41 AM   #4
 
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I had a very similar hair life...
super curly as a baby
super straight when i was in grade school
super curly from jr high to now (THANKS TO THE GIRLS IN THIS FABULOUS 2 FORUM!!!! LOOOOVE YOU GIRLS)

Deva cut really helped my curls
protein treatments and protein in general really helped
and for me, my hair doesnt like product AT ALL...especially anything with glycerin...only a light spritz of a hair spry is all i need...

my hair really like it when i wet it in the am and put a tiny bit of giovanni direct leave in, scrunch as much water out as possible (with hands and a towel) and then mist it with a spritz

my hair needs to be on the verge of dry or it poofs up like crazy and then i lose all my curls...
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The curly girl method will definitely make huge difference in how your curls look. You need to go ahead and read up what to do do to it and not do to it while it's air drying. Like do finger-comb, do not brush, do scrunch, do plop. You need to try these methods without any product except maybe a leave in conditioner and see where your hair is actually. Step away from the blow-drier! I've never been completely free of silicons and sulfates but I have given up on heat styling and tried finger combing and leave in conditioner. It makes such a difference just the styling differently when its drying, I could do a before and after pic. By the way my hair texture has changed a lot since I was a child. This is just something that happens over time to a lot of people. I saw a picture the other day of my wavy daughter when she was small with baby curls everywhere. Can I make her hair do that again?, nope her hair changed. Its way more important whether you use a brush or a comb now than what it looked like in the past. What you do to your wet hair while its drying is my number one question. I can go from curl to wave to frizz just based on what I do to my wet hair, that's why I'm asking the question.

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Well when I get out of the shower I usually scrunch excess water out with with old t-shirt,then I scrunch in mousse/gel with hands.After that I scrunch with t-shirt again and let air-dry.
Btw I comb hair with wide-toothed comb in shower while conditioner is in...
Any suggestions?
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The curly girl method will definitely make huge difference in how your curls look. You need to go ahead and read up what to do do to it and not do to it while it's air drying. Like do finger-comb, do not brush, do scrunch, do plop. You need to try these methods without any product except maybe a leave in conditioner and see where your hair is actually. Step away from the blow-drier! I've never been completely free of silicons and sulfates but I have given up on heat styling and tried finger combing and leave in conditioner. It makes such a difference just the styling differently when its drying, I could do a before and after pic. By the way my hair texture has changed a lot since I was a child. This is just something that happens over time to a lot of people. I saw a picture the other day of my wavy daughter when she was small with baby curls everywhere. Can I make her hair do that again?, nope her hair changed. Its way more important whether you use a brush or a comb now than what it looked like in the past. What you do to your wet hair while its drying is my number one question. I can go from curl to wave to frizz just based on what I do to my wet hair, that's why I'm asking the question.

Well when I get out of the shower I usually scrunch excess water out with with old t-shirt,then I scrunch in mousse/gel with hands.After that I scrunch with t-shirt again and let air-dry.
Btw I comb hair with wide-toothed comb in shower while conditioner is in...
Any suggestions?
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Old 03-04-2011, 06:20 PM   #8
 
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I get acceptable results by putting a little Main & Tail in and finger combing it to separate the strands (less weight=better curl, strands too small=frizz) a little then scrunching it. I also curl more on the underside than on top. I kinda try to arrange it so that top hair is stuck to the curlier hairs underneath by pulling my fingers threw downward from top to bottom. It kinda mushes those top hairs down into the waver hairs. If they dry that way, they seem to adopt the shape.
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Old 03-04-2011, 08:51 PM   #9
 
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Do you use a leave in conditioner? Try using some (pea size, maybe more for your long, thick hair) of your rinse out as a leave in. Since your roots tend to get flat/greasy, I'd only add it from ear level down.

I see in the other thread that you are looking for a hair twin. Check this thread.
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For good product recommendations and help, you should know at least some of your hair's properties. There are some links to help you figure them out in the hair bio thread. Also check livecurlylivefree.com. They have a service that tells you texure, porosity, and elasticity. Here are some other links.

determining porosity and elasticity help?
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Old 03-05-2011, 08:56 AM   #10
 
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I see from the hair bio thread that your hair is 2b with 2c &3a, coarse, medium porosity, and thick. And, you have very hard water.
For hard water, the best plan is to install either a whole house water softener in the basement or to install a shower filter (screws right into the shower head). This removes the minerals before they get to your head.
The next best plan is to remove the minerals from your hair. You need a product with cheleating agents like EDTA. Citric acid is also good. Apple cider vinegar (diluted in water) rinses also help remove minerals. Shampoos marketed as swimmers shampoos and hard water shampoos remove hard water build up. Almost all of them have sulfates. There is one VO5 conditioner (used as a cowash) that has EDTA high on the label (can't remember which one). Curl Junkie Daily Fix is a cleansing conditioner (in between a cowash and a low poo) with EDTA and citric acid.
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Low poo with chelating ingredients?
Since your hair is coarse and is medium porosity (and sounds like it may even be low porosity), you will want little to no protein. You may want to use some protein on a rare occasion, but in general, you should avoid it. Coarse hair tends to like oils and butters and the products that contain them. For a rinse out, try Garnier Fructice triple nutrition (GFTN), aubrey organics honeysuckle and rose (AOHR, very strong scent), or Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin (can't remember the exact name). Curl junkie also has several conditioners that fit the bill.
For a cowash try any of the VO5, white rain or suave naturals except for suave naturals coconut (has protein).
If you want to try some of the boutique brands (curl junkie, spiral solutions, darcy's botanicals, etc.) Kathymack sells samples. Click on the fotki in her siggi.
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Awhile back I used to use John Freida "Dream Curls." It's a spray you can put on while your hair is damp. My hair was always straight on top and wavy/curly underneath, and this spray really worked to even out the texture and make every part of my hair curly and nice-looking.

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I would say definitely go with layers, with your shortest layer being about 5-7 inches long. Your top layer will be more likely to curl, and you can get some volume too. At least, that's how my hair used to work.
Now, I have a pixie, which I also highly recommend. It's very easy to style and work with, and it's very healthy now! I'm extremely happy with it. Of course, it's not for everyone!
Good luck with the hair!
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