Help, limp waves!!!!

Ok, so I have been trying to revive my curls and I today I had some waves/curls but they were limp and heavy. I used Queen Helene Mint Julip, then the generic Biolage conditioing balm and then the generic Sebastian Potion 9 then to finish it off I used Bioterra gel. I think scrunched it with a t-shirt and diffused it. I am not sure what to leave out. I was thinking of leaving off some of the balm and not putting the leave in potion 9. What do you ladies think? I am at a loss!
Could you maybe be overconditioned and be in need of a protein treatment?
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

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I am suspicious of the Sebastian. Here is the ingredient deck of the original:

Water , Glycerin , Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride , Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba) , Carthamus Tinctorius Seed Oil (Safflower) , Hydroxyethylcellulose , PVP , Cetearyl Alcohol , Cetyl Alcohol , Methyl Gluceth-10 , Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein , Hydrolyzed Soy Protein , Fragrance (Parfum) , Panthenol , Imidazolidinyl Urea , Methylparaben , Amodimethicone , Polysorbate 60 , Propylparaben , Olea Europaea Fruit Oil (Olive) , Orbignya Oleifera Seed Oil , Oenothera Biennis Oil (Evening Primrose) , Disodium EDTA , Stearalkonium Chloride , Sesamum Indicum Seed Oil (Sesame) , Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate , Hydrolyzed Silk , Tetrasodium EDTA , Oryza Sativa Bran Oil (Rice) , Citric Acid , Orange 4 , Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract , Salix Alba Bark Extract (Willow) , Ext. Violet 2 , Red 40

The Glycerin, jojoba and safflower oils so high up on the list would limp up and flatten my waves in a minute! I do not know about your hair's properties, but for me, the Biotera gel is not firm holding enough. Also, as I have tried it if I use even a bit too much, my hair looks greasy and limp.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Thanks! That could be the problem. I am going to play around with it tomorrow and see what happens. Also, what are the names of the gels in your siggy? I can't figure them out!
I am suspicious of the Sebastian. Here is the ingredient deck of the original:

Water , Glycerin , Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride , Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba) , Carthamus Tinctorius Seed Oil (Safflower) , Hydroxyethylcellulose , PVP , Cetearyl Alcohol , Cetyl Alcohol , Methyl Gluceth-10 , Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein , Hydrolyzed Soy Protein , Fragrance (Parfum) , Panthenol , Imidazolidinyl Urea , Methylparaben , Amodimethicone , Polysorbate 60 , Propylparaben , Olea Europaea Fruit Oil (Olive) , Orbignya Oleifera Seed Oil , Oenothera Biennis Oil (Evening Primrose) , Disodium EDTA , Stearalkonium Chloride , Sesamum Indicum Seed Oil (Sesame) , Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate , Hydrolyzed Silk , Tetrasodium EDTA , Oryza Sativa Bran Oil (Rice) , Citric Acid , Orange 4 , Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract , Salix Alba Bark Extract (Willow) , Ext. Violet 2 , Red 40

The Glycerin, jojoba and safflower oils so high up on the list would limp up and flatten my waves in a minute! I do not know about your hair's properties, but for me, the Biotera gel is not firm holding enough. Also, as I have tried it if I use even a bit too much, my hair looks greasy and limp.
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
My top 2 favs right now are the ones spelled out. Matrix Biolage Gelee and Alba Strong Hold Gel. I also love Spiral Solutions Firm Hold Gel and lightly, lightly will use Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Is Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee at drugstores?
A|G
"iron clothes not hair"
2b (blonde highlights)

Products
:
Trying them all! So far, not settling down... FL is a challenge!

*Modified CG since Feb'2011
I would try an apple cider vinegar rinse (search for ACV) and a light conditioner with protein or a protein treatment.
Knightess Firmus Aurum, Maid of the Mitten, Slayer of Dissertation Dragons in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
2b/medium; CG 5/20/09
Wash, co-wash, co: Queen Helene Royal Curl Shampoo / Conditioner, Kiehl's Amino Acid Shampoo / Conditioner, Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix,
Tigi MM
Stylers: Sally's Neutral Protein Filler as spray, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme, LALSG
Techniques: Plop and Diffuse
Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...4&postcount=97

Is Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee at drugstores?
Originally Posted by ailin85
The only place I've actually had it in my hand was Target after Walmart discontinued it. It's $13 for a 6oz bottle.
Southern Colorado Curly
Mix of 2s med-low porosity, med-fine texture, lots of hair
Thanks! It keeps getting mentioned, I was wondering if it's something I should try as well

Very helpful.

Is Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee at drugstores?
Originally Posted by ailin85
The only place I've actually had it in my hand was Target after Walmart discontinued it. It's $13 for a 6oz bottle.
Originally Posted by missbanjo
A|G
"iron clothes not hair"
2b (blonde highlights)

Products
:
Trying them all! So far, not settling down... FL is a challenge!

*Modified CG since Feb'2011
I really like biosilk gel, a little goes a long way for me over my different curl enhancers.
Curl Pattern:2b Texture: medium
Porosity: med to high Density: med Elasticity: normal
Lowpoo: (2x/wk) Shea moisture retention/ Mop C
Cowash: Mop C/ AHRC
Deep cond: Darcy's pumpkin seed condish/ SS deep
Leave in: CJ curl assurance condish
Stylers: SS CEJ, CJ Aloe Fix Lite
Hair hates: JC rockin' ringlets/CJ CIAB/AG recoil
Hair loves: super soaking/ protein/ ACV rinses
mod CG since 7/09
Thanks! It keeps getting mentioned, I was wondering if it's something I should try as well

Very helpful.

Is Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee at drugstores?
Originally Posted by ailin85
The only place I've actually had it in my hand was Target after Walmart discontinued it. It's $13 for a 6oz bottle.
Originally Posted by missbanjo
Originally Posted by ailin85
I've seen it at K-mart and CVS.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

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