Hello beautifuls... question about ugly wave pattern, check out the pic

okay, so I'm starting all of this and the first few days I started i got really pretty waves near te top of my head and had some trouble with the direction and shape of the curls at the end. Now the problem is magnified, it seems like the s shape tightens at the end but gets really fine and messy waves, all goin in different directions.. I messed with it a bunch tonight and got some of the bigger waves back at the bottom, i've attached a picture. This is not 100%dry and i haven't SOTC. but you can see that there's isn't much of a pattern and that it's becoming more all over the place at the bottom. My first question is what can I do about this? I have been playing around with the methods but am not having much luck.. and my second question is do you think my hair is curly enough for this? I mean, do you think that anyone can scrunch waves into their hair or is my hair wavy and I just have to work with it? I've read the wavy imposters post and I feel like this is me but I also think mine dries a lot straighter than everyone else;s. I wouldn't think I could make it do this if there wasn't some of a wave to it.. and one last question, how to you get your part to work, if I comb anything at all it pulls out so much of the wave and I'm having trouble with it.. I'll keep playing but wanted to know your techniques. thanks! and thanks for all the help, hopefully soon I'll be able to contribute as much! any tips on what you would do to style this mess would be appreciated, not sure about my porosity and elasticity, but I think my porosity is high, fine hair that gets weighed down easily.. i also am recovering from a REALLY bad haircut that gave me very top heavy layers so the bottom bit of my hair looks thinner because it is layered so heavily..
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Here's a pic of after it's dry and I SOTC. and there's another angle.. gosh, the waves are so stringy and gross, help!
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Is this an attempt to gain complements by stealth? There is no way I would call your hair ugly and it looks like normal wavy hair to me - mine at least is definitely not uniform at bottom. You could try setting it in braids or sock/pin/rag curls for something a little more neater perhaps.

I wouldn't worry about wavy v. curly, we all have different hair and if scrunching works for you then great. Personally I scrunch, plop and diffuse to get the look I like best for my hair. Diffusing is a worth a looking into if you aren't doing that yet.

I comb my part how I like it in the shower and then shove my head under the water again before getting out. You might have to fiddle with it again if you plop though.

Edited to say, on a second closer look I think I can see what you are worried about. Have you tried 'twisting' those curls when wet? I find that helps give my weaker waves some more shape. You sort of twirl the hair around your finger.

Last edited by jonquil; 04-14-2011 at 12:50 AM.
I'm a stylist.

As for the wavy imposters...I am one. My hair dries stick straight with a little flip at the end when I don't have anything in it. But I have wave (and even some curl) it's just finicky.

What I see is that you have normal, wavy hair. Your issues are stemming more from the cut you received than anything else. As your wave pattern grows, if the full "s" shape isn't there, it'll lay flat some, or flip some, or do other things like that. Everyone deals with that as their hair grows if they have natural texture like we do. I'm dealing with it as we speak LOL.

HTH...

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Last edited by rymorg2; 04-14-2011 at 03:52 AM. Reason: clarification
your hair is lovely, but i see where you are coming from. i am not sure at all what you could do, but maybe recheck your products for any cones. is your hair lightened? if so, when i had high lights a few years ago that disrupted my wave pattern.
what products are you using?


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I think you have pretty hair! If you check the wavy imposters thread again, you can look at my hair w/ and w/o product and see my hair is naturally fairly straight with a very slight wave.

What methods have you been using? You could try super soaking so you can fix your part. I have trouble with mine as well if I want to change it and some days will comb it after showering and then super soak.

Good luck!
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I think you have pretty beachy hair. Bonus, it is totally in style now.

It would help if you worked up a siggi with your hair's properties and the products you use. If you need help figuring out your properties or with making a siggi, LMK. I'll post some links.
I suspect you may need to do protein treatments. But without knowing your properties, I couldn't say for sure.

My hair will dry almost completely straight if I comb it and let it dry. Especially if I comb it with a fine tooth comb.

What I do to encourage waves. I scrunch in products upside down and plop. I can't scrunch my waves after that until they are completely dry or I'll destroy my clumps. After plopping I pixie diffuse. If I want more curl, I pixie diffuse half way. Then I scrunch in my gel with wet hands. Then I pixie diffuse some more (smasters method for applying products).
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I'm a stylist.

As for the wavy imposters...I am one. My hair dries stick straight with a little flip at the end when I don't have anything in it. But I have wave (and even some curl) it's just finicky.

What I see is that you have normal, wavy hair. Your issues are stemming more from the cut you received than anything else. As your wave pattern grows, if the full "s" shape isn't there, it'll lay flat some, or flip some, or do other things like that. Everyone deals with that as their hair grows if they have natural texture like we do. I'm dealing with it as we speak LOL.

HTH...
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Okay, I was wondering if that was the problem. i guess I'll just have to grow it out and work with it from there. thanks
your hair is lovely, but i see where you are coming from. i am not sure at all what you could do, but maybe recheck your products for any cones. is your hair lightened? if so, when i had high lights a few years ago that disrupted my wave pattern.
what products are you using?
Originally Posted by Jaqi


Thanks, i do have highlights, I've color treated my hair for at least 15 years! I'm going to try to be easier with it but i don't thhink I can stop highlighting it so hope it doesn't hurt it too much! haha
I think you have pretty beachy hair. Bonus, it is totally in style now.

It would help if you worked up a siggi with your hair's properties and the products you use. If you need help figuring out your properties or with making a siggi, LMK. I'll post some links.
I suspect you may need to do protein treatments. But without knowing your properties, I couldn't say for sure.

My hair will dry almost completely straight if I comb it and let it dry. Especially if I comb it with a fine tooth comb.

What I do to encourage waves. I scrunch in products upside down and plop. I can't scrunch my waves after that until they are completely dry or I'll destroy my clumps. After plopping I pixie diffuse. If I want more curl, I pixie diffuse half way. Then I scrunch in my gel with wet hands. Then I pixie diffuse some more (smasters method for applying products).
Originally Posted by pedaheh

Thanks Peda, you've been soo helpful. I just did a protein tx night before last so i don't *think* that's it, or maybe it could be, maybe I need to do more of it? I am having trouble figuring out my properties. All I know is that it's fine and very color treated and gets weighed down easily. Right now I am just using the deva care producst, no-poo, one condition, and angel
Is this an attempt to gain complements by stealth? There is no way I would call your hair ugly and it looks like normal wavy hair to me - mine at least is definitely not uniform at bottom. You could try setting it in braids or sock/pin/rag curls for something a little more neater perhaps.

I wouldn't worry about wavy v. curly, we all have different hair and if scrunching works for you then great. Personally I scrunch, plop and diffuse to get the look I like best for my hair. Diffusing is a worth a looking into if you aren't doing that yet.

I comb my part how I like it in the shower and then shove my head under the water again before getting out. You might have to fiddle with it again if you plop though.

Edited to say, on a second closer look I think I can see what you are worried about. Have you tried 'twisting' those curls when wet? I find that helps give my weaker waves some more shape. You sort of twirl the hair around your finger.
Originally Posted by jonquil
aww, thanks for the compliment.. I'm trying to get more what all you girls have but i need to just work with what I've got I suppose. I have tried to twirl but it ends up not working right, I'll try some other techniques as I find them. thanks again
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First of all I wanted to say that your hair is lovely. You certainly could do some tinkering with it, but if this is what you are stuck with, I think you are stuck with some pretty awesome hair.

Some obs about my hair that may help:
-- An alternating wave direction is normal. Celebrities use curling irons. Trying to change / unify the direction of my wave / curl has not worked out for me.
-- Layers help but too thin at the bottom makes it look stringy.
-- Look at the 2's forum and perhaps copy what others with similar hair do (2, fine, easily weighed down, etc.)
-- Relax and enjoy what you have
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Last edited by gecko; 04-14-2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason: tmi
I love the pics!! I have to admit though I know exactly what you mean and what you are trying to get. I just started too and my hair keeps coming out thin, but somehow I love yours! My hair is processed too (blonde highlights) only and it's just too stringy....See?

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Overlayering wavy hair is a no-no. Not that it's your fault. Except for those with super-thick hair (I can't speak for that because I'm the opposite), you need a certain amount of bulk and weight at the bottom of your hair and "long layers" but not steep ones to help your waves be their best.
It looks like you have big, loose waves. If you look around, you'll notice that a lot of women in magazines, on TV are having their hair styled in (guess what) big, loose waves. It's a great look.

Keep taking good care of your hair and you will be rewarded, but try not to judge your hair too harshly. GO with the flow.
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Could it be that "our" hair is too thin? Even when I plop it comes out curly but really stringy...

Any suggestions?
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thanks gecko, once I get the hang of styling it I'm sure it will get better. I do think that the layers are really hurting me right now so i'll have to spend some time growing them out. ailin I could see your pic but the pic in the avi looks beautiful, i would LOVE to have those curls.. I always thought that my hair looked to thin but I'm not sure if it's thin or just fine for the waves. I'll be excited to see how mine comes out when I don't have the heavy layering.
I love your hair! Off and on throughout my life i've wanted hair that is straighter on top and has a little wave toward the bottom. It's just an effortless, laid-back look that I love. My hair has a decently strong wave/curl pattern, but without sufficient product/scrunching it just gets frizzy and poofy.

I agree with asianrunner, you may want to try some new techniques from the technique sticky in the general section. My hair has been blah lately so I've been trying out super soaker and smasters.
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That was for a friend's bridal shower and I used a thin curling iron to fix the front **I cheated**

It was a special event, didn't want to go all stringy LOL!

thanks gecko, once I get the hang of styling it I'm sure it will get better. I do think that the layers are really hurting me right now so i'll have to spend some time growing them out. ailin I could see your pic but the pic in the avi looks beautiful, i would LOVE to have those curls.. I always thought that my hair looked to thin but I'm not sure if it's thin or just fine for the waves. I'll be excited to see how mine comes out when I don't have the heavy layering.
Originally Posted by tresses2
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I think that fine, thin-ish hair does tend to look a bit on the stringy side because there isn't layer upon layer of "clumps." Especially light-colored hair. I tend to use a wide-tooth comb on my styled hair (ever so lightly) and then re-scrunch to reduce the stringy look.
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@Mountaincurl: I think your hair is beautiful! I wish I had those curls like your pic.

I love your hair! Off and on throughout my life i've wanted hair that is straighter on top and has a little wave toward the bottom. It's just an effortless, laid-back look that I love. My hair has a decently strong wave/curl pattern, but without sufficient product/scrunching it just gets frizzy and poofy.

I agree with asianrunner, you may want to try some new techniques from the technique sticky in the general section. My hair has been blah lately so I've been trying out super soaker and smasters.
Originally Posted by Mountaincurl
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