sent over here...some direction

I originally posted here but was sent this way. I just went through the before and after pics thread and am very inspired.

Any hints you can throw my way would be greatly appreciated. I have high hopes for my curls/waves. I always thought I just had one wavy patch.

Also...is there a key for all the abbreviations you all are using? I'm lost!
oops....found the abbreviation sticky.
Hi again!! Welcome to the wavy boards. Here's a link on the abbreviations and such....it can take some getting used to for all the lingo Acronyms/Abbreviations/Definitions!
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

http://balancedbeauty.blogspot.com/
so this is not exactly what I am hoping for...I guess what I am looking for is more "clumps" if I want it to not appear stringy...especially at the ends?
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Welcome to the waviesl
This thread is really helpful.
TECHNIQUES LINKS: SuperSoaker,Spritz&Condish,Plopping,Frizz,Clipping IceQueen, etc
For clumps try the supersoaker or icequeen method. (links in the link above). Also be sure to try pixie curl diffusing and plopping.
If you haven't seen this link on the Curly Girl method (CG), I think it explains it well.
The College Curly: Laura Lee's All In One Guide to Going CG: Now Revised and Updated!
LMK when you are ready for more links. I've got a ton of 'em.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Thanks! keep 'em coming! I'm soaking up all the info I can. As I look at my pic, it appears my hair is dryer than I think. hmmm...
I'm going to quote your post from the link you added.
So I always knew I had a bit of wave in my hair, but when I did this experiment I found quite a bit more than I thought.

I am really looking forward to not fighting with my hair and just enhancing what the good Lord gave me.

I wasn't really looking for curly hair solutions, I actually stumbled across it because my stylist recommended shampoo without sulfates so I didn't wash out my new color. I kind of fell into the curly discussion. The before and after cg thread has me sold on the idea!

Here is a before experiment shot:

After experiment:

So here is my story/query:

My hair was colored twice recently (first time washed out so I went back - turns out it was probably my fault it washed out). Second color left my hair feeling a bit like straw so instead of using the conditioner the salon sold me (which required applying to towel dry hair and then rinsing out - kind of a pain), I used my regular conditioner (suave sleek) a few times before reading the cg info. Do I need to wash that out with a sulfate shampoo now (the salon sold me sulfate-free)? Will that strip some of my color?

I have done co-wash with suave naturals followed by tresseme naturals cond, then added Suave captivating curls spray gel. However, I am feeling too stringy. Suggestions on where to go from here? I realize I am just starting so I will work out...just looking for some direction. I am co-washing about every other day until I get used to this a bit more. On the odd days I am using the sulfate free shampoo from the salon followed by the tresseme naturals.

Thanks a bunch.
Originally Posted by techmom
Since when you colored you hair the color just fell out, I suspect you have porous hair. Porous hair wets quickly and dries quickly without product. Porous hair seems to suck up conditioner. Porous hair gets darker then expected when dying (when dying darker) but fades quickly. Here is a good link.
Porosity and Curly Hair | NaturallyCurly.com
I'm guessing what the salon gave you was a protein treatment (PT)? Check the ingredients. It will say protein or keratin. You need to follow PTs with deep treatments or moisturizing conditioners. First protein, then moisture to get the protein/moisture balanced.

You may need a gel with a stronger hold. I'd try LA Looks Sports gel (LALSG) first since it is cheap and works great for some. Biosilk Rock Hard Gel (BRHG) is my personal favorite. It has a super hard hold. I'm not sure of the exact names of the hard hold gels, but I'm 99% sure alba, dep, and proclaim have one.

This is a great blog post on the CG method.
The College Curly: Laura Lee's All In One Guide to Going CG: Now Revised and Updated!
This link helps with hair properties
The Wavy Tales: How to classify your wavy hair
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
The salon sold me Schwarzkopf, Bonacure for color-treated hair. The shampoo is sulfate free. I haven't been using the conditioner just because it was a pain, but I don't see any protein/keratin in the list of ingredients.

The link for the porosity helped so much. I have been coloring every six months or so for about a year because I am not ready to go gray yet. However, I guess I am doing some damage. I am extremely sad because my hair grows so SLOW...so growing the damage out with literally take me 10 years. Thank you for your help.

The hair classification link is also amazing. I exclaimed out loud when I measured my ponytail. I would have bet that I was a "i" but it turns out it is "ii". go figure! So I think I am a 2b/2c f ii....if I am looking at the info correctly. And using the nc method, I would be a 2a.

My hair is also very fine. Do you have a protein/deep condition combo that you like?
My hair also grows super slowly. It is annoying. Cutting off a few inches is a commitment.
Coloring you hair does cause damage. But you have to decide which damage you are willing to do to your hair. Hair color is worth it to me. I've found that stopping other things (sulfates, brushing, etc.) made a huge difference in my hair. The color damage is less of a big deal for my hair.
If you color will hold for 6 months at a time, that suggest it is not porous. It does depend on what type of color you are using, and if you are matching your natural color, going darker, or lighter.
The easiest way to figure out hair porosity, is to go to livecurlylivefree.com. The have a service call the curl wizard. You send in your hair and they tell you texture, elasticity, and porosity. (13$ish???) For around 20$ish they will recommend products that will work for your hair.

Protein will go a long way to temporarily repair hair. Since you have very fine hair, protein will be your friend no matter what the porosity. One of the main reasons to figure out porosity is to get an idea of how much protein to add. Since fine hair needs protein anyway, it is less important to know your porosity.
I really like IAgirl's gelatin protein treatment.
PT recipe - as promised
Other CG PTs are nexxus emergencee, joiko k-pac (and sally beauty knock off, has mineral oil), ion effective care (sally's), aphogee 2 minute and aphogee 2 step (sally's, step 2 in 2 step has mineral oil).
Mineral oil can make some hair oily an weigh it down. If you want to experiment with products that contain this, I'd suggest trying a small section/curl first to see how it goes.
Follow a PT with a DT or moisturizing conditioner. After you rinse out the PT it may feel rough or hard. This is normal. The DT will make it feel nice again.

Since you have fine hair, Ecostyler gel might work for you. It is a harder hold gel with protein. It is 3-4$ per tub at sally beauty. CVS has it also. I like a little harder hold, so I use BRHG over the top. The one I have is Ecostyler Krystal.
I'd classify you as 2a/2b, but I'm really bad at that kind of thing. With the nc method, you are definitely 2a.
Also, if you are interested in trying the boutique brands people mention here (spiral solutions, curl junkie, darcy's botanicals, etc.), the member Kathymack sells samples. Click on the fotki in her siggi. That way you can try before you buy.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

Last edited by pedaheh; 04-19-2011 at 08:26 AM.

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