Another Newbie - Care to recommend my first products?

I posted this first in the general forum, and a kind hippie told me to come here.

I'm a new CG convert. It's been 2 weeks since my last shampoo. The co-washing has been going really well, I'm actually kind of amazed at how smooth the transition was. I've tried to go no-poo before, but I missed out on the key bit of info that you need to do one last wash with shampoo to get out the old silicone conditioner and my hair got unbelievably greasy, and really almost gunky. Anyway, now I got it right and my hair seems to be balanced out already.

I'm dealing with quite a bit of frizz. That's not too surprising since I'm not using much in the way of products. Right now I just co-wash, and then put in gel, try as hard as I can to no mess with it while it air dries, and SOTC. I can't seem to decide what products to buy. Kind of overwhelmed, which I suppose is typical. I was hoping someone here could recommend a styling combination for me to start out with. Here are my hair specs as best I can determine:

Curl Pattern: Mostly 2b
Texture: Med/Fine
Porosity: Med/High
Density: Thick
Elasticity: Low

Oh and I live in Houston Texas, so I'm looking very high dew points for the foreseeable future.

I haven't tried out a PT yet, I was going to try that this weekend with Sally's K-Pak knock-off followed by some kind of DT, any suggestions for that would also be welcome.

I also have a couple questions. I apologize for the incredibly long post. See I've been on this site for a couple weeks and could not for life of me find that darn register link. The questions have been piling up in my head meanwhile.

1. If you air dry how long does it take you to get to a point where you can SOTC. I'm at work for hours before I do and even then I feel like I'm jumping the gun a bit.

2. Any wavys here have bangs? I'm thinking I may need to grow mine out. I've continued to flat iron my bangs, and the combo looks weird.
I can answer the bangs question.
I have bangs and decided to grow them out. I didn't like the wavy hair/ straight bangs look. However, since I started growing them out, I kind of have a side swept half wavy thing going on with them that I really like. The shorter "layer" for lack of a better term, is mostly straight but curls under well, and sweeps to the side easily. I then have two longer "layers" that are wavier. Now I am trying to decide if I want to keep the side swept bangs or keep growing them!

Edit: I just realized I didn't have bangs in my avi.
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Last edited by swtndspcy; 04-19-2011 at 03:12 PM.
Hi again! I've had bangs on and off my whole life but I'm now growing them out. I think I'm done with them for a while. I definitely think when done right they can look really cute though.
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

http://balancedbeauty.blogspot.com/
swtndspcy I definitely think the side swept looks much better with the waves. I think I am going to grow mine out and as I transition I will try them side swept. Thanks for the input on the bangs girls.

For products I was thinking of doing CJ CCCC, BSRG with some kind of leave-in conditioner, I haven't thought too much on that one yet. I'm not used to shelling out so much money for hair products, but these seems to be really popular products on this site.
If you want to try products like Curl Junkie and spiral solutions, I highly recommend ordering samples from Kathymack. Click on the fotki in her siggi to see what she has. With your properties, I'd suggest trying some spiral solutions stuff. There is lots of curl junkie stuff that is popular too. My sister has different hair properties, but she had good luck with SS curl enhancing jelly and SS firm hold gel in Texas humidity.
At this point in CG frizz is pretty normal, unfortunately. It may be an issue that will fix itself with time. Another possible cause is humectants in humidity. Humectentants draw water to themselves. In humid conditions they draw too much water from the air and cause frizz. Glycerin seems to cause more problems then other humectants. It is more important to make sure the things you leave on your hair don't have humectants (gel, leave in,curl enhancer, etc.) Some people can use humectants in humid conditions without an issue.
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For a DT I usually use my rinse out with some oils added to it. I wouldn't recommend it after the k-pac because that has mineral oil in it. It might end up being oil overload.
For a moisturizing rinse out I'd recommend GVP conditioning balm (sally beauty), renpure organics (red bottle, CVS), Garnier Nutrice triple nutrition (oil heavy, may or may not work for fine hair), Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle and Rose (or one of their other conditioners, very moisturizing and heavy, may be too much for your hair, also makes a good DT). Other possibilities are giovanni and tresemme naturals moisturizing (slightly less moistruizing then some of the others, but less likely to weigh you down).
Try the spritz and condish method to see if that helps get moisture into your hair. I assume your hair is dry because you have low elasticity.
For a curl enhancer, I think homemade flax seed gel (FSG) is always worth a try. Aloe based options are good. SS CEJ, AO MM, lots more that I can't think of. Fruit of the earth aloe (FOTE, walmart and other places in the sunscreen section), or lilly of the desert (at health food stores) work for many.

You may want to jump start your hair drying by diffusing it a bit. This will take some of the weight of the water off your hair and it won't drag it down as it dries. It will also make it dry more quickly. I don't normally air dry my hair because I can't stand walking around with wet hair. I'd guess it takes 5-6 hours.
I know some with bangs use a blow dryer and a round brush.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Are you looking at trying drugstore or online products?

Drugstore:
-GVP conditioning balm from Sallys, Yes to Cucumbers/Carrots/Tomatoes conditioners from Target/Wal-Mart
-BRHG, Got2B Spiked, LALSG

Online:
-CJ products. Email Marsha at info@curljunkie and just explain that you're a member here and want some product recs. When I emailed her, I told her my hair properties and attached a couple pics. She is super sweet and responds quickly!
-Spiral Solutions. Get some FHG and CEJ samples.

I think the CJ CCCC might be too heavy for your hair. Might want to check out the lite version.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

I just started using La Bella Sports Gel which is only $1.99 for 20 oz. and is available at Target. I like it a lot so far. I also use Biotera Alcohol-free Mousse and sometimes Ion Alcohol-free Hairspray (both available at Sally's for about $6.00). I color my hair so I use L'oreal Everpure Sulfate free Shampoo and Kinky Curly Knot Today as a rinse out conditioner. With warmer weather on its way, I find myself needing less stuff and not having to do diffuse which is nice.
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

http://balancedbeauty.blogspot.com/
Thanks so much for the info everyone. I'm learning so much here. I'm also having a better day today. I tried a sample size of the Living Proof No Frizz Styling Spray that I used yesterday and it was just awful, frizz city. I'm actually kind of glad it didn't work out, that stuff is very pricey. Today I used Paul Mitchells Round Trip with a hard hold gel and it's working out much better. I'm still dealing with canopy flatness, especially in the front, and a bit of a canopy frizz, but it's generally much better.

I've got some more questions..

For a DT I usually use my rinse out with some oils added to it. I wouldn't recommend it after the k-pac because that has mineral oil in it. It might end up being oil overload.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
So when you say you add oils do you mean regular cooking oils? I of course have olive oil, and then I also have coconut oil (both the organic virgin stuff, and the cheapo Luann stuff.) Can I use those on my hair for a DT.

I'm also wondering if wavies tend to use butters or oils on their hair. I have the urge to scrunch something like pomade into my hair when after it's totally dry. Maybe this is just a sign I need to get more moisture into my routine in general? I will also try to spritz and condish soon. Must get a means of spritzing.

Okay, last question...any recommendations on a diffuser? I don't have one.
Shoulder length 2b, with a flatter canopy
T = Med/Fine, P = Med/High, E = Low, D = Med/Thick

Just starting out on this journey...
I found my diffuser on Amazon for 10 bucks. It's from Revlon and I think it's pretty adaptable...my hair dryer is from Conair so it should work on most dryers. Try not to get too discouraged....going CG (or mod CG) can be a big giant trial and error process. Sometimes, you may think you have the perfect routine down, and for whatever reason your hair's needs change completely. Everyone here is awesome so don't be afraid to keep reading and asking questions!!
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

http://balancedbeauty.blogspot.com/

For a DT I usually use my rinse out with some oils added to it. I wouldn't recommend it after the k-pac because that has mineral oil in it. It might end up being oil overload.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
So when you say you add oils do you mean regular cooking oils? I of course have olive oil, and then I also have coconut oil (both the organic virgin stuff, and the cheapo Luann stuff.) Can I use those on my hair for a DT.
Originally Posted by Olivia311
In general oils and butters work best for coarse hair. It pays to experiment a bit. I have very fine hair, but find I can use some oils. I use coconut oil as a prewash and mix olive oil into DTs or my homemade PT. You have to experiment to see what works for you. Don't try straight oils on a day when you need to go somewhere. You may end up with an oily mess that takes several tries/days to wash out. IMHO shea butter is not worth trying for a wavy. It is better on type 4 hair.
Some oils are cooking oils and some aren't. Olive oil and coconut oil are in the cooking oil section. Other oils like avocado, argon, camilla, pupmkin, etc. can be found at health food stores or online at soap/conditioner making websites. (ingredientstodiefor, soapgoods, gardenofwisdon, etc.).
Mineral oil will make some hair limp and oily. You may want to test a small curl/section with the joiko k-pac first to see how your hair does with mineral oil. I'd also suggest drying the section of hair too. My hair seemed fine until I dried it.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

I use coconut oil as a prewash.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Can you tell me about this prewash? What do you do, what does it do for your hair?
Shoulder length 2b, with a flatter canopy
T = Med/Fine, P = Med/High, E = Low, D = Med/Thick

Just starting out on this journey...

I use coconut oil as a prewash.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Can you tell me about this prewash? What do you do, what does it do for your hair?
Originally Posted by Olivia311
Coconut oil, avocado oil, and olive oil (and another oil) have the ability to make their way into the hair's cortex. This helps to moisturize the hair. Coconut oil also helps your hair retain protein. That is great for my fine, porous hair.
I add coconut oil to dry hair. I add enough to make my hair look a bit oily, but not dripping with oil. Like you had the flu for a week and haven't washed your hair. I do this anywhere to an hour or up to overnight before I wash. Cowashing removes the coconut oil from my hair, but that isn't true for everyone. I think a shorter time would be better to start with then a longer time. I'd guess maybe 20 minutes to start.
There is tons of info on coconut oil on the blog thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com. Do a blog search for coconut oil.
Another oil people use for hair is jojoba oil. This is techincally a wax. It closely mimics the scalp's natural sebum. My hair hates the stuff with a passion. But it works great for other people.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

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