Frustrated with my hair.. losing a lot & products don't seem to be working anymore.

Hi all, I joined here awhile back and posted about some product suggestions for my hair. I posted back then about how I was losing hair, and I still am. I apologize in advance if this is rambly.

I almost feel like my hair is worse now than when I was using products with sulfates, etc. in them. I now use DevaCurl low poo shampoo 3x a week, condition those days with Deva Curl One Condition. The other days I use CJ Daily Fix and also another CJ conditioner (I don't use this every time, just depends).. just can't remember the name of it!

As for products, I alternate between Deva Curl Angel & Arc Angel, and also CJ Aloe Fix & Curls In A Bottle. I also do protein treatments twice a month using the CJ Repair Me stuff.

I've been using these products for quite some time now. Despite this, I'm still losing what I feel to be a lot of hair. I was asked to count how many strands lost, and two separate times it was over 100 strands. Now, I know people say it's normal to lose 50-100 strands a day, but when I look back at older pictures of me and compare them to more current ones, there is a noticeable difference in my hair. Even my dad has commented on it.. and my mom's all freaked out that something's wrong with me :sigh:

I've had bloodwork done, all came back normal (this was a couple months ago). The only med. I'm on is birth control; I was off of it for awhile, and just recently (as in a week ago), got a Depo shot. I honestly don't think the BC is what is causing the hair loss, as I was on it starting in '05 and the hair loss started around '09.
I just started taking a multi vitamin, which I know isn't going to be an overnight fix. I even went to the Bosley Hair place and had a scalp analysis done, which was pretty cool, but nothing major found (which is a good thing I guess), just some "all around thinning".
It was suggested that I start using Rogaine, which is fine by me, anything that might help me get some new growth and volume back!

My hair is just.. blah. I'm not sure if it's just "done" with these products, or what. Here's a comparison:

This is from '07 or '08, before I started losing a ton of hair:



From '09, my hair looks good here, but this was around when I really started losing a lot:



Dec. '10, see how it's just.. flat?:



I'm just so frustrated. I do NOTHING to my hair, as compared to my friends anyway.. I don't color it, I don't pull it up EVER, I don't straighten it, I diffuse it for less than 10min. daily (I can NOT go 2 days without restyling it, it looks like total crap), I feel like I do everything "right". I've been trying not to brush it when I get out of the shower, since I know that's a "no no" but I feel like it's even more flat when I don't.

I used to use Bumble & Bumble products, and I'm wondering if I should try them again, just to see if my hair perks up. Anyone have any other suggestions? Again, sorry if this is really long and whiney.. I'm just at my wits end here.. I would totally shave my head and be done with it if I wasn't such a chicken!
I'm so sorry you're going through such a frustrating experience!! Once I stopped brushing my hair on a semi-regular basis, I became concerned that I was losing too much hair in the shower. Then I realized that all the hair that was coming out in the shower would have been coming out in during my brushing sessions so that kind of calmed me down a bit. Your situation could be hormonal....you could always ask your gyno if the Depo shot could cause hair loss. You might also want to try a protein treatment. Another possibilty would be adding in some biotin (either supplements or in food form) to your daily diet. I would look up online and see if what foods are good for strong and healthy hair. Try not too worry too much....You still look great!! And you have a cute doggie
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From the pics, it looks like your hair has more shine and less frizz. As far as density, we will take your word for it. You are a very lovely girl.

You know your hair best and what it feels like. I would definitely look into the depo as a possible cause. I just did a quick google for the side effects and found that reduced hair growth, alopecia are two that are listed. It is probably the same for many other BC that have hormones. What made me think of it is that a lot of ladies, myself included, experience hair loss during pregnancy. HTH
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I'm so sorry you're going through such a frustrating experience!! Once I stopped brushing my hair on a semi-regular basis, I became concerned that I was losing too much hair in the shower. Then I realized that all the hair that was coming out in the shower would have been coming out in during my brushing sessions so that kind of calmed me down a bit. Your situation could be hormonal....you could always ask your gyno if the Depo shot could cause hair loss. You might also want to try a protein treatment. Another possibilty would be adding in some biotin (either supplements or in food form) to your daily diet. I would look up online and see if what foods are good for strong and healthy hair. Try not too worry too much....You still look great!! And you have a cute doggie
Originally Posted by hippiechic81
From the pics, it looks like your hair has more shine and less frizz. As far as density, we will take your word for it. You are a very lovely girl.

You know your hair best and what it feels like. I would definitely look into the depo as a possible cause. I just did a quick google for the side effects and found that reduced hair growth, alopecia are two that are listed. It is probably the same for many other BC that have hormones. What made me think of it is that a lot of ladies, myself included, experience hair loss during pregnancy. HTH
Originally Posted by techmom
Thanks guys.

The Depo I JUST got a week ago today, so that's not the cause of my hair loss. Now, I have been on the pill on/off since '05 though. But like I said, really didn't start losing this amount of hair til '09.

That first picture I did have some frizz (also the editing of it makes it look worse than it is), but I would take that over my thinned out flat hair!

I do have some Biotin that I need to start taking again, will start that tomorrow. Protein treatments, I do, twice a month Sometimes I feel like my hair is even more weighed down after doing them though.

My biggest issue, other than the amount of hair I'm losing, is that my former stylist gave me these stupid angles and cut my sides WAY too short. Because my hair grows so slow, this has made everything worse, because I can't stand how short my sides are. I'm going to a new place soon that's supposed to be great with curly hair, so hopefully we can get that resolved once my hair grows out a bit more (if it ever does!).
Jessicurl sells a stimulating scalp massage oil that is supposed to help with hair growth. I believe I saw in a thread that someone has had some success with it.

You could also do some research on alopecia. Perhaps there is a medical reason that has been missed. You said blood tests had been done. Did they test your thyroid or kidneys?
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Last edited by techmom; 05-06-2011 at 03:52 PM.
Jessicurl sells a stimulating scalp massage oil that is supposed to help with hair growth. I believe I saw in a thread that someone has had some success with it.

You could also do some research on alopecia. Perhaps there is a medical reason that has been missed. You said blood tests had been done. Did they test your thyroid or kidneys?
Originally Posted by techmom
Thanks, I will look into that!

Yes my thyroid and kidneys were checked.. he pretty much checked everything.
IMHO you need to go back to the doctor or to a new one. Take pictures with you. Also mention that others have also noticed and are concerned. I know you've had blood work done, but I think it is worth looking in to again. They probably didn't rule out all possible causes with one blood draw. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, right? Hair loss can be normal for woman, but not at your age. There are many causes that can be reversed.
Here is what I know from what I have read. Hair products aren't going to make your hair fall out. If things went bad (think very bad color) your hair could break, but it won't fall out. Hair products also won't make your hair grow. Vitamins won't make it grow either, unless you have a vitamin deficiency.
I hope you find the answer.
I'm not familiar with any of your products. I do know deva stuff gets mixed reviews here. None of it really has a huge following.
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IMHO you need to go back to the doctor or to a new one. Take pictures with you. Also mention that others have also noticed and are concerned. I know you've had blood work done, but I think it is worth looking in to again. They probably didn't rule out all possible causes with one blood draw. The squeaky wheel gets the grease, right? Hair loss can be normal for woman, but not at your age. There are many causes that can be reversed.
Here is what I know from what I have read. Hair products aren't going to make your hair fall out. If things went bad (think very bad color) your hair could break, but it won't fall out. Hair products also won't make your hair grow. Vitamins won't make it grow either, unless you have a vitamin deficiency.
I hope you find the answer.
I'm not familiar with any of your products. I do know deva stuff gets mixed reviews here. None of it really has a huge following.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Yeah my Dr. (PCP) kind of blew me off when I mentioned the hair loss to him. I'm almost 24, btw, for anyone wondering (I know I look younger in the pictures). He did the blood work because I hadn't had any done in a few years. I really don't want to have more done though.. it was $500 out of pocket for me to just have that done.. not exactly cheap!

I may go see a dermatologist, since from what I gather, they're who to go to for hair loss. However, the dermatologist that we have used in our family recommends people to the Bosley place all the time. They are who suggested I start on the Rogaine, which I did actually order.

I know none of this will be a quick fix though.. just frustrating!
I don't know if this could be a cause, but I read in a couple of places that humans generally go through a shedding phase in the fall where we shed a lot of hair...there was one website that also said a more minor shedding phase happens in the spring. This might be contributing...

I found this article, it's pretty good, maybe it'll have some helpful suggestions on what could be causing it?

Help My Hair Is Falling Out -- How Much Hair Loss is OK?

There are also some more articles linked at the bottom to it, I don't know if they're helpful (I haven't read them) but the titles looked promising.

Good luck! I know this must be stressful. For what it's worth, I think you look gorgeous, even if you don't feel it...
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Last edited by sleepyjess; 05-06-2011 at 06:01 PM.
I know how frustrating and disappointing it is when your doctor doesn't give you the kind of attention and help you need. As well as Western treatments, you may want to check out some natural remedies for hair loss. Off the top of my head (no pun intended!!) I know lavender oil is helpful. You can give yourself a really good scalp massage at night time with it before you go to sleep and then wash it out in the morning. I can check out more natural remedies/treatments if you like!!
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My hair is basically my hobby!!

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I don't know if this could be a cause, but I read in a couple of places that humans generally go through a shedding phase in the fall where we shed a lot of hair...there was one website that also said a more minor shedding phase happens in the spring. This might be contributing...

I found this article, it's pretty good, maybe it'll have some helpful suggestions on what could be causing it?

Help My Hair Is Falling Out -- How Much Hair Loss is OK?

There are also some more articles linked at the bottom to it, I don't know if they're helpful (I haven't read them) but the titles looked promising.

Good luck! I know this must be stressful. For what it's worth, I think you look gorgeous, even if you don't feel it...
Originally Posted by sleepyjess
Thanks for that article, I read a few on that site.

I don't seem to have any times of year when I lose more or less, it's pretty steady. I WISH I just had spurts when I lost more, then gradually didn't lose as much!

I'm wondering if maybe going on/off (I think I've done that 3 or 4 times) my birth control has contributed to it. Seems like it'd cause your hormones to go a little whacky for awhile, and that can't be helpful..

I know how frustrating and disappointing it is when your doctor doesn't give you the kind of attention and help you need. As well as Western treatments, you may want to check out some natural remedies for hair loss. Off the top of my head (no pun intended!!) I know lavender oil is helpful. You can give yourself a really good scalp massage at night time with it before you go to sleep and then wash it out in the morning. I can check out more natural remedies/treatments if you like!!
Originally Posted by hippiechic81
That'd be great if you could give me some more tips! I'm honestly willing to try most anything. I mean shoot, I'm 23 and just ordered Rogaine..
Each time you go off then on BC your hormones get out of whack. This could be the cause of the hair loss.

Check out this site. It lists the BC pills withe the least amount of angrogenic activity. Depro is one of the highest and least rec'ed to women with hair loss issues.
American Hair Loss Association - Women's Hair Loss / Oral Contraceptives

I have been having issues with this too, also since '09. I think some of mine is due to taking Lovaza (fish oil) for cholesterol in '08 - no one told me alopeica could be a side effect. Also, I because a vegetarian around the same time. I think the loss of some protien could be causing some of the issue. I am taking a multiple vitamin plus extra biotin and am trying to add eggs, dairy, and some fish or chicken back into my diet.

This book had some good info about hair loss:
http://www.amazon.com/Hormonally-Vul.../dp/0060825537
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So sorry you are going through this. My hair thinned after having my second and fourth babies, and didn't all come back. It is actually a lot easier to style and curls better but I was vain about it being thick and big, you know.

I definitely think if you are in your 20s and losing hair then there has to be some kind of medical cause, it shouldn't just fall out. And birth control pills, starting and stopping them both, can definitely throw your hormones out of whack which can absolutely cause hair loss and I am not at all sure it would be found in tests.

Mine falls out less now that I do daily rinse-and-restyle, gave up sulfate shampoos, and take Floradix for iron, I'm not sure which is most important, but all are healthy so I just keep at it. I would estimate hair loss at about 20 hairs/day, which is sustainable and it isn't thinning anymore and feels slightly thicker though not like before it fell out.
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I definitely think going on/off the BC hasn't helped anything. I've done it quite a few times, and stayed off of it for 2 months each time. I've actually been on the NuvaRing before (the highest one on that website), was on it for probably a year, year & a half. I was on it when that first picture was taken actually.. hm.

Someone also brought up my water.. I have hard water (no water softener) at my house. My entire life, I was in a house WITH a water softener, til 2yrs. ago (around the time when I started losing more hair) when I moved out. Back in January, I stayed at a hotel and I specifically remember saying to my BF "Wow, my hair is so happy today!".. I'm assuming the hotel had a water softener. Makes you wonder if that also has something to do with it.

I washed it with a clarifying shampoo today, and it was MUCH fuller. I need to remember to do that once or twice a month, or more I guess, depending on how it looks.
I'm sorry you are feeling this way. I went 3 days with no cowashing, wetting or anything therefore no comb or fingers went through my hair either and when I got into the shower on the 4th day and finger combed I thought I was going to be bald when I was done! I do agree with Hippie that if you used to brush every day and now you don't it makes a HUGE difference. You will see ALOT more hairs come out in the shower, I know I do. I must lose at least 100. I think it was about 300 the day I skipped washing for so long. I know when I used sulfate poos all the time my hair was big and thick looking but now that it's a little more tame it doesn't look like that anymore. I think your hair looks absolutely lovely in all the pictures. Do you have any bald spots? I agree with everyone that if you aren't comfortable with what's going on then check more into it. I understand about the money though too. Maybe try styling your hair your "old way" with sulfate poo and your old style products and see if it looks the same. The look may be from different products also.

I hope you feel better soon.
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From your pictures, it looks more like your hair is weighed down than thinning. But it's really hard to tell.

Do you wash and style daily? If you counted 100 hairs in the drain and you wash every other day, that's at the low end of normal for hair loss. Also if you're growing your hair out, the wad of hair in the shower drain after you wash will be larger because the hairs are longer.

Have you noticed any patchy spots on your scalp? Unfortunately no one on this site is qualified to give you advice if your hair is really falling out for some medical reason.

One more thing you might want to look into is traction alopecia. If you wear your hair pulled back severely, like in a tight ponytail or headband, you could experience hair loss. You can also lose hair if you part your hair exactly the same way every day.
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Last edited by Cheetara; 05-09-2011 at 08:08 AM.
One of the things I picked up on the most while reading how to treat hair loss is diet and nutrition. You need to make sure your diet is rich in essential fatty acids, protein and iron. Getting enough of the B vitamins is important too.

Another contribution could be stress. If you find yourself freaking out a lot, you might want to look into some deep breathing exercises you can learn or maybe try meditation. I know I mentioned lavender oil before so if you can get some, at nightime pour a couple drops into your hands and give yourself a nice relaxing scalp massage!! It'll help stimulate the hair follicles and provide circulation to get hair growing. Plus, it'll feel nice!
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I'm sorry you are feeling this way. I went 3 days with no cowashing, wetting or anything therefore no comb or fingers went through my hair either and when I got into the shower on the 4th day and finger combed I thought I was going to be bald when I was done! I do agree with Hippie that if you used to brush every day and now you don't it makes a HUGE difference. You will see ALOT more hairs come out in the shower, I know I do. I must lose at least 100. I think it was about 300 the day I skipped washing for so long. I know when I used sulfate poos all the time my hair was big and thick looking but now that it's a little more tame it doesn't look like that anymore. I think your hair looks absolutely lovely in all the pictures. Do you have any bald spots? I agree with everyone that if you aren't comfortable with what's going on then check more into it. I understand about the money though too. Maybe try styling your hair your "old way" with sulfate poo and your old style products and see if it looks the same. The look may be from different products also.

I hope you feel better soon.
Originally Posted by ththd
I actually only did the no brushing after my shower for a couple days.. I just couldn't do it anymore after that! My hair was SO flat and "blah" when I didn't brush it. I think one of my big problems is that my part is straight down the middle of my head, and if I don't re-do it daily by brushing all my hair back, my hair doesn't respond well (hope that makes sense).

No bald spots though, thank god!

From your pictures, it looks more like your hair is weighed down than thinning. But it's really hard to tell.

Do you wash and style daily? If you counted 100 hairs in the drain and you wash every other day, that's at the low end of normal for hair loss. Also if you're growing your hair out, the wad of hair in the shower drain after you wash will be larger because the hairs are longer.

Have you noticed any patchy spots on your scalp? Unfortunately no one on this site is qualified to give you advice if your hair is really falling out for some medical reason.

One more thing you might want to look into is traction alopecia. If you wear your hair pulled back severely, like in a tight ponytail or headband, you could experience hair loss. You can also lose hair if you part your hair exactly the same way every day.
Originally Posted by Cheetara
I don't wash daily, but I do re-style daily (so it gets wet everyday). I just can't go 2 days without doing so.. my hair gets too flat and looks terrible. I lose more hairs on the days I wash, vs. the days I just condition, but I lose quite a bit everyday regardless of what I do.

Never EVER wear my hair pulled back, partly because I'm afraid of it breaking, and partly because I get horrible headaches if I do. I do part it pretty much the same everyday though. I wish it would just naturally fall into place (I'm always jealous of people that have hair that does that), but as I said, my natural part is right smack down the middle of my head, so I have to flip it over a bit.

One of the things I picked up on the most while reading how to treat hair loss is diet and nutrition. You need to make sure your diet is rich in essential fatty acids, protein and iron. Getting enough of the B vitamins is important too.

Another contribution could be stress. If you find yourself freaking out a lot, you might want to look into some deep breathing exercises you can learn or maybe try meditation. I know I mentioned lavender oil before so if you can get some, at nightime pour a couple drops into your hands and give yourself a nice relaxing scalp massage!! It'll help stimulate the hair follicles and provide circulation to get hair growing. Plus, it'll feel nice!
Originally Posted by hippiechic81
Yes my diet is probably a big factor. I don't eat fast food or drink soda or anything "bad" (I don't even drink alcohol), but I also don't eat the more nutritious foods either.

Lavender is a good idea though, I love that smell so that'd be perfectly fine with me!
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Here is a thought. I was thinking you should measure the circumference of your ponytail now. Then measure it again when you can afford to go to the doctor. If there is a difference, there would be hard facts and figures you could present to the doctor.
By the way, your hair is beautiful at any thickness.
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