oh goodness.. low poo / protein treatment FAILURE (+awful pics lol)

So I am on day 5 cg and think I may have screwed up. My hair was so nasty, limp (only 30 min from styling), and oily at the scalp that I low poo'd using garnier pure clean and figured maybe I needed a protein treatment. I bought Ion Effective Care Treatment and left it on for about 3 min and washed out (says 1-2 min or 3-5 for very dry damaged hair).

I then scrunched in Aussie aussome volume gel and diffused until dry.... well I finally got the volume I was looking for, but also ended up with dry, poofy 80's looking hair. Before this I was starting to see curl definition but it was too weighed down.

Anyone know where I went wrong? Did I not need protein? or did I accidentally shampoo too much? This is not the look I was going for, when will I achieve bouncy curls?
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2a. Medium texture. Medium/high porosity (I think!)

Last edited by jvdb; 07-30-2011 at 06:24 PM. Reason: typo
Hmmm. Some of the protein experts will chime in, I am certain. I cannot do protein treatments. My hair seems to be fine with protein in products but a treatment leaves me with flat hair and no definition.
I am also wondering if you conditioned after the protein treatment. It may be a two part which also comes with a conditioner, but I would need conditioning after protein, myself.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
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CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
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Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Hmmm. Some of the protein experts will chime in, I am certain. I cannot do protein treatments. My hair seems to be fine with protein in products but a treatment leaves me with flat hair and no definition.
I am also wondering if you conditioned after the protein treatment. It may be a two part which also comes with a conditioner, but I would need conditioning after protein, myself.
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
I didn't condition after the protein... I had read that this one was pretty moisturizing, plus it already felt conditioned. Might be my error. I am wondering if my "low-poo" was more of a "full poo" I used very little and tried to get only the scalp but maybe it seeped?
2a. Medium texture. Medium/high porosity (I think!)
Another hmmm...haha! I lowpoo every other day and mist with distilled water and diffuse the others. I cannot co-wash. My hair gets heavy and greasy. It really needs to be clean.
I do not know ingredients on that lowpoo. (Going to check...)
IAGirl or pedaheh will show up and they are quite the protein chemists and can help unravel the mystery, I am certain. Sounds like perhaps too much protein to me.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
Yeah I realized that but being new to this I guess I thought a tiny bit of it only at the scalp would be ok.... guess not! So does this mean I just zapped all the moisture my hair was FINALLY getting over these past few days? Any tips to add that back in (esp the ends)?

And thanks....I guess things that are common sense to those who have been cg for a while just arn't quite as obvious yet

edit: I'm only 5 days in...not doing a whole lot "successfully" yet, I have a feeling my hair-oiliness is similar to yours in the fact that it DOES need cleaning, just not so harsh.
2a. Medium texture. Medium/high porosity (I think!)
well I shouldn't say nothing successful.. I have managed to avoid cones, but I guess after this sulfate incident I really cleaned every last bit of cone residue that my clarify might have missed.
2a. Medium texture. Medium/high porosity (I think!)
It should be an easy fix. See, here is the thing with sulfates-it becomes a never ending cycle. You strip your hair of oils and it retaliates by producing more oil. You think your hair is oily, so you sulfate cleanse again...and so on.

What you used I would classify as a sulfate shampoo, not a lowpoo. A lowpoo will be a shampoo with no sulfates and no silicones (those sneaky guys end in -cone, -conol and -xane to name a few).

I use a lowpoo every time I cleanse which is every other day or when my hair is really cooperating, every two days.

It gets my hair clean (I use a lot of product) but does not strip it. I happen to condition on my ends only.
I'm 47. Straight hair until 6/2010. THANKS, thyroid!
2b, medium-fine, normal-low porosity, medium density and elasticity
CG since 7/1/2010

Cleanse: Abba Color Protect
Condition: DevaCurl OC
LI: CJ-Deep Fix, Beauticurls LI
Curl Enhancer:
CHS Curl Keeper, KCCC
Gel: Alba Strong Hold Gel, BRHG, Hugo Naturals Gel, SS FHG, CJPP
Trying/Maybe: Ecostyler,CJRM
I'm not familiar with the garnier pure clean shampoo. The reviews I've read for the pure clean stuff aren't very good.
I've left the Ion effective care on my hair for an hour. Even if your hair and the PT didn't get along, it shouldn't be a major issue in 3 minutes. I think you are right to suspect the shampoo.
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Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
I'm not familiar with the garnier pure clean shampoo. The reviews I've read for the pure clean stuff aren't very good.
I've left the Ion effective care on my hair for an hour. Even if your hair and the PT didn't get along, it shouldn't be a major issue in 3 minutes. I think you are right to suspect the shampoo.
Originally Posted by pedaheh

Thanks so much, if you left the ion on your hair for an hour than it HAS to be the shampoo. I used SO little too....I guess that just goes to show how harsh those sulfates really are hey? Is there anyway I can dilute the shampoo to make it useable? or am I better off just scraping it and getting something tried and true?
2a. Medium texture. Medium/high porosity (I think!)
I'm guessing sulfates too.
Plus, Effective care is more moisturizing than a hard core PT, but I know I can co-wash and use it and still need to scrunch in a more moisturizing condish or I would feel a bit dry.
If I was to sulfate poo and use only the effective care, I would have straw. And my hair loves protein....
ETA: You can try diluting the shampoo (I think a tablespoon to a cup of water?) to make it gentler.
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Last edited by swtndspcy; 07-31-2011 at 12:50 AM.
Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Why is doing a PT after sulfate poo not a good idea? What does it do?

(I think that is what I did when I did a PT last time with terrible results.)

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Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Why is doing a PT after sulfate poo not a good idea? What does it do?

(I think that is what I did when I did a PT last time with terrible results.)

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Originally Posted by rapunzel4ever
It could be the double whammy of dryness. A sulfate poo can make tha hair feel dry, and so can a protein treatment. Not everyone can tolerate the two together.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Why is doing a PT after sulfate poo not a good idea? What does it do?

(I think that is what I did when I did a PT last time with terrible results.)

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Originally Posted by rapunzel4ever
It could be the double whammy of dryness. A sulfate poo can make tha hair feel dry, and so can a protein treatment. Not everyone can tolerate the two together.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Bingo.
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Oh my.

Yes that doesn't look like your hair liked the shampoo & protein.

I actually did sulfate-shampoo and Ion Effective Care last week, 'cause the hair was getting limp and strange, and it did work exactly as you were probably going for - it felt like crap, but it looked great, curls re-bounced, and the bad feeling is gone now after a week of the regular routine, no DT this week. BUT my hair is in tip-top condition from years of treating it gently, and also coarse and strong naturally.

I agree you probably dried it out too much, it doesn't yet have the reserves of moisture that it will after you treat it gently for months & months. But no harm done, I'm sure, just get the moisture back either with DT or just doing a more gentle routine for awhile.
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Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Why is doing a PT after sulfate poo not a good idea? What does it do?

(I think that is what I did when I did a PT last time with terrible results.)

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Originally Posted by rapunzel4ever
I don't think this is totally true. I have sulfate poo'd and used a PT before, and not had any issues. That said, the sulfate poo (Lush's Curly Wurly) has loads of oils and butters in it, and I did condition afterward, even though the PTs were pretty moisturizing...I'll see if I can find pics.

In this one I washed wish Lush Rehab over pre-conditioned hair with Lush American Cream; PT with Aloette Aloespa, conditioned with CFT Coconut Curlada Conditioner; sprayed SS SSPS, mixed Jessicurl Rockin Ringlets with homemade leave in (SS remnants plus water) followed by Confident Coils; plopped 20 minutes, add HEBE and diffused upside down; smastered midway with small bit of BRHG...



Here I Used: Lush Big (on roots/scalp) and Curly Wurly (on the rest) over some American Cream that was put on the shaft prior to the shampoos; Aloespa Intensive Repair protein treatment for 60+ minutes, Spiral Solutions Deeply Decadent Moisture Treatment for 30-45 minutes; mixture of BS Cottonseed Curl Boost with watered down SS Curl Enhancing Jelly (old scent) and then about 5 squirts full strength BS CCB and SS CEJ seperately...all applied to sides and then flipped over; semi super soaked the ends and ploppped 30 or so minutes; CFT Goddess Curls gel in sections...sides then flipped over and again a little more semi super soaking for clumps...scrunched with t-shirt and diffused partway upside down (warm heat/low speed) til about 50% or more dry and added a small amount more of the CFT GCG and a pea sized amount of BRHG, lightly wet hands to apply easier and scrunched..wetting hands again and scrunching, repeating til hands no longer sticky; went back to diffuse upside down, but high heat with low speed this time til about 85% dry. Diffuse was all pixie method.





This was one of my best hair days ever. And I used sulfate poos with a PT. And Big is a clarifying poo, so it is a bit stripping. I do make sure to pour moisture back in though. Always.


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Did you know that garnier pure clean has ALS as the second ingredient? Do you use it regularly? Successfully? My hair would look MUCH worse than yours had I used a sulfate shampoo followed by a PT with no conditioner, girl!
Originally Posted by justajesuschick
Why is doing a PT after sulfate poo not a good idea? What does it do?

(I think that is what I did when I did a PT last time with terrible results.)

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Originally Posted by rapunzel4ever
I don't think this is totally true. I have sulfate poo'd and used a PT before, and not had any issues. That said, the sulfate poo (Lush's Curly Wurly) has loads of oils and butters in it, and I did condition afterward, even though the PTs were pretty moisturizing...I'll see if I can find pics.

In this one I washed wish Lush Rehab over pre-conditioned hair with Lush American Cream; PT with Aloette Aloespa, conditioned with CFT Coconut Curlada Conditioner; sprayed SS SSPS, mixed Jessicurl Rockin Ringlets with homemade leave in (SS remnants plus water) followed by Confident Coils; plopped 20 minutes, add HEBE and diffused upside down; smastered midway with small bit of BRHG...



Here I Used: Lush Big (on roots/scalp) and Curly Wurly (on the rest) over some American Cream that was put on the shaft prior to the shampoos; Aloespa Intensive Repair protein treatment for 60+ minutes, Spiral Solutions Deeply Decadent Moisture Treatment for 30-45 minutes; mixture of BS Cottonseed Curl Boost with watered down SS Curl Enhancing Jelly (old scent) and then about 5 squirts full strength BS CCB and SS CEJ seperately...all applied to sides and then flipped over; semi super soaked the ends and ploppped 30 or so minutes; CFT Goddess Curls gel in sections...sides then flipped over and again a little more semi super soaking for clumps...scrunched with t-shirt and diffused partway upside down (warm heat/low speed) til about 50% or more dry and added a small amount more of the CFT GCG and a pea sized amount of BRHG, lightly wet hands to apply easier and scrunched..wetting hands again and scrunching, repeating til hands no longer sticky; went back to diffuse upside down, but high heat with low speed this time til about 85% dry. Diffuse was all pixie method.





This was one of my best hair days ever. And I used sulfate poos with a PT. And Big is a clarifying poo, so it is a bit stripping. I do make sure to pour moisture back in though. Always.
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