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leesi 08-10-2011 07:28 AM

What am I? and hair help
 
Backround: First time here. Stick straight silky hair that wouldn't hold a curl during childhood. Both my mother and sister have curly hair so I was one of the only people with straight hair that didn't want curly hair because I saw how difficult and irritating it could be despite the beauty of it. Recently I heard a hair stylist say, "Whenever I see frizz I know that there is a curl begging for moisture." I thought to myself, "I have frizz could it really be curls?" and it turns out that somewhere along the way my hair had turned curly but i didn't know it because in my mind I had straight hair and I had been battling frizz instead of nourishing curl. The problem I have is that I don't have the same beautiful springy curl that maintains itself from top to bottom like my mom does. (Her hair is enviable and her hair is constantly mistaken for permed hair) So I have no idea what do with my hair.

I have tried the whole twisting/skipping technique but i think it looks silly and my hair isn't thick enough. I've tried scrunching. Diffusing etc etc. It just doesn't seem to work

I'm really hating my hair right now. It's not straight, not curly and it doesn't have a beautiful wave. Ugh. I need to find the right products but it seems like a never ending battle that I am losing. It's too heavy and weighed down. Or the hold is too strong and it's crunchy and/or doesn't allow my curl to form as it dries. It's flat or it's frizzy and on and on. (FYI I only wash my hair 1-2 times a week so I'm headed in the right direction)

I'm considering trying the Jessicurl products but I just don't know!?!

So first I need to know what type of curl/wave I have? I'm guessing somewhere in the 2b or 2c area but I'm really unsure. Please excuse the tired face and keep in mind that I just got my hair wet threw in whatever was around and allowed my hair to air dry just so you can see the pattern. I want soft smooth waves. I don't like how piecey my hair looks here if that makes sense. definition is okay but not pieceyness. like my made up words ;)

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and then what should I be using and doing to get beautiful hair?

I included pics of hair that I like.

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Mcfrizzy 08-10-2011 08:22 AM

well if scrunching doesnt work how about the rake and shake method its kind of the opposite of scrunching and as for getting weighted down try a mousse ora lite geli believe like garnier fructis pure clean or what alot of curlies here prefer is fsg gel (flaxseed gel) you can make on your own or i heard someone on here sells it

IAgirl 08-10-2011 10:13 AM

FIrst off, welcome!
Secondly, those are some very nice pictures of people with either professionally-styled, heat-styled, or expertly styled hair. Back to you. You're a newbie, so allow yourself a lot more time (by that, I mean weeks to months).
You have been "training" your hair to act straight so you don't even know your waves very well yet.
A good haircut will help enhance your waves and give them shape. FLaxseed gel might be a winner for you, although most wavies use it with a harder-hold gel. You have some nice waves and with practice, they will get better and you will be happier with them.

hippiechic81 08-10-2011 11:55 AM

Leesi, I think your hair is absolutely gorgeous!!

swtndspcy 08-10-2011 01:24 PM

I think your waves already look good!
But anyway, while curl typing can be fun to know, it doesn't really have much of anything to do with how you will go about finding good products that will work well in your hair.
You need to know your hair's properties.
  • Texture - fine, normal, course. Texture is the circumference of individual hairs.
  • Porosity - high, normal, low. Definition from livecurlylivefree.com - Porosity refers to the ability of your hair to absorb moisture and is determined by the state the cuticle of your hair is in. Porosity is a critically important factor in determining curly hair care since moisture is what shapes and defines our curls
Overall thickness and elasticity are good to know too.

Why is this more important than what curl "type" you have?
(From livecurlylivefree.com)
Why Hair Texture and Porosity are the Keys to Understanding Your Curls
This is where the so-called "curl classification systems" can be problematic. If Type 2 is supposed to mean fine, wavy hair, what happens if you have wavy hair with a coarse texture and high porosity? Or you have tight corkscrew curls often wrongly categorized as coarse, but your hair is baby-fine (as are many with curly hair) with really low porosity?
If you have wavy hair and follow the routines and use the products normally suggested for this curl type, but your hair is actually coarse and overly porous, you are going to end up with hair like straw–plus, you won't be addressing the problem of your high porosity, which blows product out of the hair shaft anyway.
If your corkscrew curls are fine and you load them up with the humectants and emollients often recommended for this hair type, your hair will end up a limp, stringy mess, assuming you can get the product into your hair in the first place. It just doesn't work that way.

Live Curly Live Free also explains some simple tests to help you figure out your properties. If you are unsure you can order a professional analysis from the site.

Once you figure out your hair properties, then you can begin to choose products that most likely work for your hair.

Next, what IAgirl was saying is that you must have realistic expectations for YOUR hair. I would love to have big botticelli (3A/B ish) ringlets. Is it something I can reasonably expect my hair to do with out a curling iron or hot rollers? No. But CG has helped, and continues to help, my hair look it's personal best.

Also, there is no magic potion that will transform your hair into what you want it to be with out fail, every time you use it. (Although flaxseed gel is pretty darn close to a magic potion for me!) However, techniques will go a long way in getting your hair to have to the look like best for it.

One of the most important things I learned from NC.com: crunch is your friend, and scrunching out the crunch is your BFF. Styling products that dry crunchy will help eliminate frizz (when applied to very wet hair), the crunch will hold the curl/wave in place as it dries so it doesn't go limp from weight of water. Diffusing, particularly the technique called Pixie Curl Diffusing, sets the gel cast as fast as possible and helps remove water weight while not creating frizz. Then when the hair is 100% dry, you can gently scrunch the hair and they will be soft, frizz free (or at least reduced) curls/waves that have hold but don't feel producty.

IAgirl 08-11-2011 05:36 PM

Oh, goodness, I didn't mean to sound snarky. When you're new to wearing and styling your hair wavy, you're not sure how it will end up looking, you're not sure what works (products or techniques) and it takes time to figure it all out and see what your hair wants to do and then get down to accepting it and actually liking it. You will.
Plus, you have a curly mother and sister, so you've probably felt like the odd one out. People understand that curls are curls, but waves are kind of a mystery.
I think you'll find that your hair does indeed have a beautiful wave to it and because it is fine, it might do well with flaxseed gel to enhance the waves and curls and give you "clumps" (aloe vera gel can do the same for some of us). Jessicurl is FSG. A strong-hold gel with it will work best because you need that hold while your hair dries.
Fine-hair tricks are getting lots of water out of hair before applying products (water-weight pulls out waves), diffusing (Pixie diffusing) to let the (low) heat set in the waves and curls, letting it dry good and crunchy, then scrunching out the crunch so you get those touchable-looking waves you posted pictures of.

Fine-haired wavies get weighed down easily, you have to find that fine line between enough product and too much. Some prefer mousse because it is so light. Keep trying things. More waves to come!

swtndspcy 08-11-2011 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IAgirl (Post 1740907)
Oh, goodness, I didn't mean to sound snarky. When you're new to wearing and styling your hair wavy, you're not sure how it will end up looking, you're not sure what works (products or techniques) and it takes time to figure it all out and see what your hair wants to do and then get down to accepting it and actually liking it. You will.
Plus, you have a curly mother and sister, so you've probably felt like the odd one out. People understand that curls are curls, but waves are kind of a mystery.
I think you'll find that your hair does indeed have a beautiful wave to it and because it is fine, it might do well with flaxseed gel to enhance the waves and curls and give you "clumps" (aloe vera gel can do the same for some of us). Jessicurl is FSG. A strong-hold gel with it will work best because you need that hold while your hair dries.
Fine-hair tricks are getting lots of water out of hair before applying products (water-weight pulls out waves), diffusing (Pixie diffusing) to let the (low) heat set in the waves and curls, letting it dry good and crunchy, then scrunching out the crunch so you get those touchable-looking waves you posted pictures of.

Fine-haired wavies get weighed down easily, you have to find that fine line between enough product and too much. Some prefer mousse because it is so light. Keep trying things. More waves to come!

I don't think it sounded snarky! I just knew what you meant, and thought I'd explain.:thumbup:

IAgirl 08-11-2011 10:34 PM

Thanks to you and other wavies who keep me in the clear communication zone!:confused3:


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