Why you should never let anyone "texturize" your hair (with pix)

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As a person with wavy or very fine curly hair, you can sometimes get away with getting a "straight" hair cut - you know the drill, wash, condition, comb out straight pull tight and hack away - however, one thing you should never let them do is use a razor, point cut, or use thinning shears on your hair. Why? all of these methods can leave your hair prone to frizzies and split ends, but in the case of point cutting and thinning shears - there is another reason. In the layer where the thinning is done you will have serious issues with having stringy curls/wave formation and lots of frizz.
Picture a curl "clump" then imagine taking a thinning shear to that - that clump will never be a clump again, each bit of that clump will be its own "stringlet" instead of a ringlet or a straight frizzy bit that lays on top of your wave. If your hair is very fine like mine, each hair on its own, while having a curl pattern, requires the support of the other hairs in its clump to help support the curl, too few hairs in a clump and its just starts to look messy...you know that look!
So the next time you go to the salon for a cut my wavy comrades, do not allow the stylist to point cut, razor or thin out your hair!

Pictures attached!
Pictures 1 and 2- "stringlets" that can't find their companion hairs for support or to form clumps

Picture 3 - hair that has not been razored or thinned - notice the size of the clumps in this hair, and the smooth surface of the curls.

Picture 4 - the hair right next to that in picture 3 that was hacked with thinning shears. Notice the small size of the clumps - dare I even call them that, they are stringlets.

I know a lot of you may already know this stuff - but for those of you who may be new wavies (and wavies are the most at risk of having a stylist try to do this to you because they might consider you to have "straight" hair) I thought this might be educational

So, if you cannot find/afford to go to a curly hair specialist, make sure that your stylist cuts with sharp scissors only and doesn't do things to "add volume" or "reduce bulk" in your hair! It will just make you a frizzy mess!
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I'm convinced that razor cuts (I used to ask my stylist to razor it even more) were a huge contributer to my 1/4 inch of split ends every 2 months pre CG.
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That's my hair exactly (always had it thinned, up until about May of this year). It improved a little bit with my last cut, which was blunt ends only. But I guess I just have to grow out that part for it to look any better.
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I couldnt agree more. My cut before my last one I got thinned AND razored even though I said not to. My thick wirey strands stuck straight out. My clumps couldnt clump and it was just BAD. I went back to my trusty stylist (why I strayed, I just dont know!) who does a GREAT wet cut. She was horrified at my previous cut and the way I was treated. We evened it out as much as possible,but its still going to take a while to grow everything out to a workable length.
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I wish I read this thread before I tried out a new stylist She "texturized" my hair by cutting into each clump of curl to create more volume but now it's a frizzy mess! Plus, I'm noticing A LOT of split ends only a couple weeks after the cut. I don't use heat, have been CG since April and do a DT and a PT at least once a week so there's no other reason for what's going on with my hair. Every curly girl should read this!!
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*Almond oil as a sealant
Every stylist I've ever been to uses this on my hair- even my favorite one. Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should tell my stylist to cut my hair with? I have big, wavy hair and it tends to bulk up, especially now that I have a pixie. What would she use to get rid of the bulk? I hate having a choppy hair cut!
Thanks for the bump, I had no idea about this!
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Fails: AG ReCoil, AG Beach Bomb, Deva Angell, Aquage Defining Gel, Kerastase Oleo Relax Curl Creme.
What Should I Tell My Stylist?
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*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

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Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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Thank you so much for taking the time to explain and photograph the problem with these techniques on wavy hair. Everyone who has cut my hair has used either texturizing shears or a razor, even when I tell them I wear it wavy. I've always been pretty happy with my hair despite this. I recently tried a new stylist and talked about this with her and she agreed that razors/texturizers were not good for my hair. She used a different technique to reduce some of the bulk and I am happier than ever with my hair. I never thought ditching these techniques would make much of a difference. I had the same problems as the OP and now they're essentially gone.
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Styling: mineral oil (to seal against humidity), LA Looks Sport Gel, FSG
I recently tried a new stylist and talked about this with her and she agreed that razors/texturizers were not good for my hair. She used a different technique to reduce some of the bulk and I am happier than ever with my hair.
Originally Posted by itsjustluc
What was the technique she used?
I'm interested too!
Eek! I knew someone would ask and, unfortunately I don't know what it's called. She basically held her shears vertical, took sections of hair, and slid the open shears down them. That's a terrible description--I'll be getting my haircut in August and I can find out more then. Stay tuned?
2B, medium/normal across the board

No HGs yet, but currently toying with:
Lo-Poo: AG Smoooth Argan Shampoo
RO: Matrix Sleek (this is an old formula that somehow--magically--is cone free), AG Smoooth Argan Conditioner
LI: VO5 Silky Experiences Island Coconut, SM C&H Milk
Styling: mineral oil (to seal against humidity), LA Looks Sport Gel, FSG
Please let me add my head to the wealth of general knowledge on why wavies and curlies alike should NEVER get a thinning-shear cut.

This sad situation was 8 months (yes 8 months) and 3 "normal" haircuts after my thinning shear haircut. My stylist had thinned my hair up to my eyes pretty much.... so you can imagine how long it's taking to grow out. I was a big frizzball for months and months and here it is growing out but you can see how the bottom is especially sad. (The thinning layer actually goes higher up but the bottom looks especially apparent.)

This was 2 months ago. I've had another haircut since and it has grown out a little bit but it's still apparent, particularly when I go for "clumpy" styles.

Hopefully in another 6 months my thinned layer will reach the rest of my layers.
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fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
Eek! I knew someone would ask and, unfortunately I don't know what it's called. She basically held her shears vertical, took sections of hair, and slid the open shears down them. That's a terrible description--I'll be getting my haircut in August and I can find out more then. Stay tuned?
Originally Posted by itsjustluc
This sounds like it could be giving you more split ends?

I always find the concept of debulking via scissors/thinning shears very bizarre. Do you know what debulks my hair like crazy? Clumping/definition and having moisturized hair (rich leave-ins etc.) Seriously, clumpy looks like I have 1/2 the density I do when my hair is loose-waves. That's what annoys me... I love big hair and I'm always trying to pump more air in it to make it look more voluminous. To me it's very easy to lose volume/bulk (I have medium density).
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fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
ARRRRGH! I had a BC last month, almost a year after a Deva cut, and the way she diffused it was so horrible (bouncing the dryer up and down and raking her fingers through my roots the entire time) that I came out with the world's worst/80's-est frizz helmet. I freaked out and begged her to USE the thinning shears! Even she asked me twice, especially on dry hair, but I insisted I looked like a Tannenbaum and then she muttered, "Well, you certainly have enough hair" and passive-aggressively went to town. RRRRRRIIIIIIIIIPPPP. I've heard that hair stylists in Berlin in general are morally opposed to cutting layers, and in my moment of panic I didn't think to ask her for layers instead of thinning it. Or just running away before it could get worse.

I know, I know, I should have come home and re-washed it and seen what it would do when ACTUALLY styled before I asked her to lay another finger on it. But the panic talked. And now I get to grow out stick-outies for the next year or two, just like some of you. Plus, I've got a mushroom head (the different curls fall 2-5 inches under my chin) and don't know if I should go somewhere else to see what's improvable, or if another cut will just make it worse. The bad one was already supposed to be Europe's answer to Deva/Ouidad (CurlSys) so I have no idea where to turn now. Every place that mentions curls has mixed curly reviews. Guess it's time to try (gulp!) trimming myself?

Question:
I had that thing itsjustluc was talking about a few times - they would take a section, twist it around til it was twisted firmly, then either run the shears down the outside or make little snips with the tip of the shears as they moved down. I guess that's a lot better than having the thinning shears rip through everything willy-nilly?
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Please let me add my head to the wealth of general knowledge on why wavies and curlies alike should NEVER get a thinning-shear cut.

This sad situation was 8 months (yes 8 months) and 3 "normal" haircuts after my thinning shear haircut. My stylist had thinned my hair up to my eyes pretty much.... so you can imagine how long it's taking to grow out. I was a big frizzball for months and months and here it is growing out but you can see how the bottom is especially sad. (The thinning layer actually goes higher up but the bottom looks especially apparent.)

This was 2 months ago. I've had another haircut since and it has grown out a little bit but it's still apparent, particularly when I go for "clumpy" styles.

Hopefully in another 6 months my thinned layer will reach the rest of my layers.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
OMG your curls are still so incredibly gorgeous, even with the cut you didn't like. I'm jealous. I'm only a month CG and rockin some limp ass waves so far.
wavydaze, I think your hair looks beautiful in that pic. Doesn't look like you have any hair probs at all to me!
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That's very nice of you to say mustangbunny and Spiralli! It's always nice to hear compliments! I do think it looked better in the picture than in real life but thank you anyway!
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I'm only a month CG and rockin some limp ass waves so far.
Originally Posted by mustangbunny
Do you have fine hair? I have fine hair and it took me a while into CG to realize how much protein my hair needed/liked. Protein gives me volume.
fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
I cringed terribly when I read about opening the scissors and sliding them down the hair - isn't that essentially like using a razor?

I had grown my hair out for a year plus, it was awesome, thick, curly. Then I got a horrible hair cut where the stylist did exactly that. Essentially, she cut out my curls. Completely. My hair looked and felt thin, limp. I then had to chop it from bra length to shoulder, then to chin.

My current stylist loves those darn thinning shears, and while it worked great on my piece-y pixie, it doesn't do me any favours otherwise.

She's a curly head too, but had short hair, and very thick, so I doubt that it harms her own hair/styles.

I have no idea why to say to her, instead, I've just not gone for a hair cut in a year.....sigh....
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