Fall/winter routine changes

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shocking breakthrough!! ... my hair likes shea moisture now. hahaha. tried it yesterday, applied it differently, and now i have soft shiny whurlies.
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
Ah I just saw your question! Well I bought the PC Curl Cream and I've been considering trying it, but the beeswax scared me so I haven't gotten around to it yet. But you liked it? Is it actually curl-enhancing? What does it do? ... so many questions! haha

I've been considering just sucking it up and investing in some CJ products, even though they're a bit expensive, since I really want to try the smoothing lotion, CCCC-lite, and CIAB (it's supposed to be very shine-enhancing!) ... hmm. Maybe for Christmas. haha
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
You could always get some sample from kathymack to try out before investing in the full sized bottles! She provides such a wonderful service for all us curlies and wavies!
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Very good point! But I don't even know how to go about doing that -- do I just PM her on here? And do you know how much she charges?
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
Click on the fotki in her siggi to see what she carries. When you know what you want, PM her and give her your address. She will tell you what you owe plus shipping (reasonable, my shipping was under 5$). You pay through paypal. She has great customer service too. One of my sample bottles rolled away from her under a table to hide. When I told her it was missing, she sent it to me no extra charge.
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers

You could always get some sample from kathymack to try out before investing in the full sized bottles! She provides such a wonderful service for all us curlies and wavies!
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Very good point! But I don't even know how to go about doing that -- do I just PM her on here? And do you know how much she charges?
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
Click on the fotki in her siggi to see what she carries. When you know what you want, PM her and give her your address. She will tell you what you owe plus shipping (reasonable, my shipping was under 5$). You pay through paypal. She has great customer service too. One of my sample bottles rolled away from her under a table to hide. When I told her it was missing, she sent it to me no extra charge.
Originally Posted by pedaheh
Thanks a bunch Pedaheh! I'll definitely be doing that soon.
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
^^Yup, that's how it's done! She has so many different samples it will be hard to choose!
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

Thank you! I don't ever really look at any hair stuff until the last couple of days and I saw it yesyerday and it clicked lol! My sister in law had been using the pure clean for about 2 months and it started making her hair fall out so be careful!
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I also stay away from glycerin and all other humectants.
I am actually loving my low dew point curls right now. I'm using Desert Essence Coconut low poo (once a week) with the Coconut conditioner, followed up by Desert Essence Shea Butter conditioner rinsed out. No leave in. But then KKCC, plop overnight and then take it down in the morning. Air dry. Great curls and clumps!!
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Mod CG since January 2010
2b/c in winter; mostly 3a in summer; working toward 3a all year-round
Fine - Dense - Fairly porous
Cowash & Leave in: Co-wash with TJs Tea-Tree Tingle cond. , Suave Naturals, TJ Nourish
Styling products in rotation: AG Re:coil, K-Y liquid; FSG, epsom salt & lavender curl-revitalizer;
Thanks for this thread! I am not going to need it right away, because the weather here is totally twisted (temp. up to 60 F and good dewpoints). For now I skip my Li and use a bit less styling products, because curls seem to get easily weight down. So maybe pre-winter issues rise already?
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
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Maybe it's a copout and sacrilegious of me...but I just let my hair go straight-ish in the winter. It's never fully straight, but it's basically straight with some bend at the ends, and I find it's too much trouble and work to get it to wave, and it's not necessarily even the best thing for my hair.

The whole reason I went CG in the first place was because I wanted to let my hair do what it wants to do and be healthy. Trying to force it to wave contradicts that goal. My hair is extra thirsty in the winter so I condition like mad. It makes my hair very soft and therefore it doesn't hold much of a wave, but that's ok with me. I'd rather have soft, straightish, hydrated, and healthy hair than dry hair that holds the wave. Maybe not everyone has to make this choice, but unfortunately I do. My hair is s'wavy-wavy--more of a body wave than the curly-clumpy waves many of you probably have, so I imagine that factors into things.

Interestingly, I went without product in my hair for a few days last week, and I got compliments and comments about it from 3 different people. If I get more compliments with less effort, it's a win-win, right?
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+1 to that, loremipsum.
This isn't about being "more curly" or anything like that. Waves come in all shapes and sizes - "Body wave" is one of them and it's so full of movement and gorgeous. I know it seems that the boards can be so "more curly is better" oriented, but accepting your hair and caring well for it is kind of a microcosm of life in general. A very Zen-like post you wrote!
Everybody has their own goals and personal tastes. Yours is not a cop-out or anything like that. Can't beat 3 compliments, either.
I was just writing about autumn/winter hair on my blog because I wanted a little more "dirt" on the subject: science-y hair blog: Autumn to Winter Hair and Humidity
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/

Last edited by IAgirl; 11-05-2011 at 02:44 PM.
So my winter routine consists of a few elements that seem to be working so far...and we have had some horribad weather in Colorado so far this year - 2 snowstorms in 2 weeks!

Deep Treatments - at least twice a week. How I am doing them:
1) spritz hair with water till it feels really damp
2) slather with a lot of DT - today I used Shea Moisture mask, I switch it up, sometimes its K-pak or silk elements.
3) put shower cap on head
4) leave it on for at least 20-30 minutes or more.

In the shower I let some of the warm water run over my head just to emulsify the DT in my hair a little more, massage for a few minutes and then apply shampoo to scalp with the treatment still in my hair.
Today I used shea moisture moisture moisture retention shampoo. Scrub and massage head quite a bit, then rinse it well. After all that I use a rinse out condish, I know its evil and costs way too much, but I have found (after trying lots and lots of products) that I really do love Deva Curl One Condition...its slippery like crazy, and so very light...I have what you would call "cherub curls" they disappear with too much conditioner...and disperse if you don't use enough product. My hair will just be wavy poof if I don't treat it right...

After washing...while still very wet a little more one condition or KCKT which is my all time fav leave in.

As for products....winter in Colorado is not the time to be worrying about making your hair as curly as possible, its time to worry about avoiding the "straw head" and "crazy static electricity girl" looks. So while I know I can get 3A curls going in my mop...I am satisfied with some serious wavies as long as I don't look like the bride of Frankenstein. That being said ....

Shea moisture curl and styling milk or curl enhancing smoothie as a first layer, while hair is still really wet, scrunch through it thoroughly. These two are really good because they do not have humectants, just nice oils that lock moisture into your hair. Products don't actually "add moisture" unless they contain a lot of water...its the water from the shower that moisturizes! Just need to shut down the cuticle and seal it up a little bit!

Second layer - Either naturelle gel or Aubrey organics B5 design gel. These seem to be really nice for use in low dew points. They are NOT hard holding gels though. If anyone has a suggestion for a humectantless hard holding gel that works well in low dew points and wont make my hair take 10 hours to dry let me know!

product ingredient avoid list for colorado winter:
Propylene glycol
Glycerin
Agave Nectar
Sucrose
Glucose
Honey
These all leave me with hair that feels like a bundle of hay!

Good list!
Coconut oil
Aloe gel
Shea butter
Most proteins
hydroxypropyl methylcellulose
so far polyquats seem ok in the winter...
PEG cones (these seem to really help keep the hair from dehydrating quickly)
sugar starch (seems ok, not sure how this is different from straight up sugar, but it has not had the same effect)
Tragacanth gum and gum arabic
Super wavy and wurly curly! Fiii,fairly non-porous, inelastic
Colorado Curly - low dew points & low humidity!
Organix Cherry Ginseng and DevaCurl low poo/condish
KCKT leave in, Naturelle Gel
Joimist or Aussie Sprunch Spray

I have KLINGON HAIR

My hair likes IAgirls PT!
I have celiac disease - no wheat please!
My hair seems to be changing its mind so much lately! I just can't seem to use the ice queen method any more for the time being. It just gets strange.

It also seems to like multiple products now! Shea Moisture + GFPC = hair heaven. Soooo soft.

Now I just need argan oil and coconut oil and I'll be all set!
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
Hey Steph!! Sorry I never answered you back! I started a thread a while back in the general section about the cream, and some people there found it waxy. I think it's one of those "it either works or doesn't" type of products. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of people who think it's just "OK". I really liked it! It makes my hair so soft, but definitely takes out crunch and hold. I was so scared about the beeswax, too. I seem to get buildup fairly easily, but the beeswax didn't seem to make it any worse. It was actually really nice. But now that the Shea Moisture stuff is working for you, you can just skip the PC cream altogether if you wanted to!! You are using the Smoothie, right? I LOVED that stuff when my hair tolerated all kinds of moisture! Ah, the good old days! Ha!!
Oh, and Lahomajayne should start her own "CG winter for newbies guide"!! That was so informative!!
And I totally agree with the poster that said CG is about making your hair healthy, not curly. Took me a long time to realize that! That's the best lesson you can learn from the wavies on the 2s boards.

I am so glad I started this thread! All the suggestions are fun and informative. I have an odd question, though -- does anyone seem to NOT get bothered by humectants in the wintertime?! I feel like the oddball, but my hair doesn't seem to mind humectants in any weather! Or maybe it's just that it doesn't like super high concentrations that much. I think it has something to do with low porosity types. I dunno, though. Anyone else like this?
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Type 2c/3a with lots of hair and a super sensitive scalp! Med/slightly coarse texture, low porosity and elasticity.

Favorite...
Low poo: Organix TTM, Essential Wholesale Free & Clean
RO/LI: TN, GFTN, YTC
Stylers: EcoStylers, GF Curl Shaping Gel, Aussie Aussome Volume Mousse & Instant Freeze Gel, GFPC, LALNC, La Bella Lots of Curls, Apricot Oil, KMFUM, AO B5DG
Extras: sugar scrubs, AVG washes, pre-poos with EVCO, oiling scalp before washes, plopping, gelatin PT.
Mod-CG since 12/1/10!
Me, me! (Not bothered by humectants). At least not in styling products. I use the same stuff pretty much year-'round. But I don't use glycerin. It depends a lot on the humectant, some bind water more effectively.
Here are some stats about which humectants bind the most water (and therefore release it to the air less quickly) from lowest to highest:
propylene glycol
sorbitol
PEG-200 a.k.a. polyethylene glycerol
glycerin
NA-PCA
Sodium lactate
Sodium hyaluronate (hyaluronic acid, like in KMFUM)

I have no idea how much water is held by magnesium sulfate or mag. chloride or how fast they give it up to the drier air. Both are very hygroscopic (attract water) - I suspect that's why they're curl-enhancing. We use Calcium chloride to control road dust for that very reason and it will hang on to moisture for quite a while. You can see the slight darkening of the gravel road surface even just when the humidity rises.

Proteins act as humectants too, especially the medium to large molecular weight ones (that's most vegetable/grain proteins and also collagen/gelatin) because they help slow water loss.

I like the film-forming humectants like aloe, flaxseed gel, vegetable gums (xanthan, guar, carageenan), panthenol and proteins.

Haven't tried anything with sorbitol in it.
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http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/
Oh, my hair isn't bothered by humectants either My hair actually isn't bothered by much of anything haha! I thought it hated shea butter but I think it's fine to use if I smooth it in, not scrunch it in. Weird. Other than that my hair likes everything!

And yes yes I agree, all of the wavies here are so informative IAgirl, you always have such interesting sciencey information! I've learned so much! And I agree about the healthier vs curlier issue. I would rather have healthy, bouncy, shiny hair than worry about how curly it is.
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whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
I back off the glycerin quite a bit, although I think my low poo has glycerin and was fine last winter. Glycerin in stylers is the problem. I can mix the DM Curling Gelly w/ SS CEJ and that seems to negate the glycerin somehow!

Otherwise I do more PTs+DTs and that's mostly because I have more time. I use leave-in more often and I switch from hard hold gels to softer hold; I really love CJ CQ!
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Hi girls, What are PTs and DTs?
Ah I just saw your question! Well I bought the PC Curl Cream and I've been considering trying it, but the beeswax scared me so I haven't gotten around to it yet. But you liked it? Is it actually curl-enhancing? What does it do? ... so many questions! haha

I've been considering just sucking it up and investing in some CJ products, even though they're a bit expensive, since I really want to try the smoothing lotion, CCCC-lite, and CIAB (it's supposed to be very shine-enhancing!) ... hmm. Maybe for Christmas. haha
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
You could always get some sample from kathymack to try out before investing in the full sized bottles! She provides such a wonderful service for all us curlies and wavies!
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Very good point! But I don't even know how to go about doing that -- do I just PM her on here? And do you know how much she charges?
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
Can you say more about the service Kathymac provides? I am interested in getting samples before buying the entire bottle. That is fab to know!
AUsomecurls: PTs are protein treatments and DTs are deep treatments.
Link: A few tips on treatments for newbies and not so newbies too

Kathymack is a member here who provides a great service of selling samples! Once you know what you want, make a list and PM (private message) her here. Just find one of her posts, click on her name and select private message. In addition to your product list, also send her you zipcode so she can calculate shipping.
Link to her list: http://public.fotki.com/kathymack/

Um, Shea Moisture makes Shea Moisture? lol You can buy it at Wal-greens or Target.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

I am so glad I started this thread! All the suggestions are fun and informative. I have an odd question, though -- does anyone seem to NOT get bothered by humectants in the wintertime?! I feel like the oddball, but my hair doesn't seem to mind humectants in any weather! Or maybe it's just that it doesn't like super high concentrations that much. I think it has something to do with low porosity types. I dunno, though. Anyone else like this?
Originally Posted by wavynwild16
I think it has to do with the type of climate (dew points ie. humidity and temperatures) you live in.

I was doing ok with humectant-rich products in temperatures from +12C to +16C at humid seaside Helsinki, but since I moved to superdry continental Madrid a month ago the same products have transformed my hair into the driest hay ever, I even developed split ends in just 3 weeks, even though it's not even been that cold (from +10 to 26C).

So now I'm desperately looking to completely transform my routine and switch into a no-humectants-at-all (at least outside the shower) regimen. Not really sure how it's done though, because I've never done it before.

The regime I've been following until now is:

*a blend of indian herbs for shampooing (INCI: Fullers Earth, shikakai, reetha, amla, harithake, bibhitake and bhui amla)
*Aubrey Organics White Camellia as rinse-out condish
*Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose as leave-in condish
*a natural gel for styling (INCI: peppermint distillate, green tea, xanthan gum, glyserol, natrium benzoate, sugar, essential oils of grapefruit and lavender).


If there are any European curlies following this thread I'd really appreciate any product recommendations!

And if you fellow victims of dry winter hair have any recipes for home-made DT:s etc I'd be delighted to try everything to save my hair from this dryness catastrophe...

Last edited by Sopotito; 11-14-2011 at 04:24 PM. Reason: details
My hair seems to be changing its mind so much lately! I just can't seem to use the ice queen method any more for the time being. It just gets strange.

It also seems to like multiple products now! Shea Moisture + GFPC = hair heaven. Soooo soft.

Now I just need argan oil and coconut oil and I'll be all set!
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
Hi Steph, What is GFPC?

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