Giving up on FSG! Tried several recipes

Have any of you finer haired wavy girls tried FSG and given up? I've tried at least three different recipes and it does nothing but give me limp hair/curls (that take forever to dry). I guess for those with great curls, losing a little spring would not be noticeable...but with wavy hair it means 'bad hair day'. Am I the only person that doesn't sing the praises of FSG? I do better with Aloe gel under a harder hold gel (HESMU or Garnier Pure Clean). I guess this container of Flax will go in the dogs food bowl, as it's supposed to be great for their coat/shine (ha).
2b/3a fine/med-hi density/high porosity (I think)/ highlight-no silicones/sulfates
Lo-poo - ABBA Gentle Shampoo/ Shea Moisture Curl & Shine
Conditioner: GVCB (love it!)/ Regis OO
Leave in
: As I Am
Co-Wash: Tresemme or DevaCurl NoPoo
Stylers: As I Am Curling Jelly/GF Pure Clean/ LALCurl gel - all with BRHG added
Style: scrunch/ diffuse, then air dry. I don't Have much frizz at all
Well, you gave it an honest try! I think FSG works best for those who are determined (as in "Come Hell or High Water" determined) to make it work. Probably certain combinations of hair properties work well with FSG and some do not, some techniques work and some do not.

Make sure you grind that flax if the pup gets it, it does do good things for coat. Not always good for tummies.
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Thanks for your reply! I guess you never know until you try. Maybe I am just not patient enough...or could endure one bad hair day after another. I like the all natural approach and I'm glad that it works for so many of you. I know you had mentioned that you had your own fav recipe, but I hadn't seen the measurements for it. Perhaps it would be worth trying to see if a diff. recipe would yield different results for me? If you have time, could you share it with me?
2b/3a fine/med-hi density/high porosity (I think)/ highlight-no silicones/sulfates
Lo-poo - ABBA Gentle Shampoo/ Shea Moisture Curl & Shine
Conditioner: GVCB (love it!)/ Regis OO
Leave in
: As I Am
Co-Wash: Tresemme or DevaCurl NoPoo
Stylers: As I Am Curling Jelly/GF Pure Clean/ LALCurl gel - all with BRHG added
Style: scrunch/ diffuse, then air dry. I don't Have much frizz at all
Ground flax seed is good for people too. It is good for our brains and our coat.
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2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
Cowash: Tresemme naturals
Rinse out/leave in: Renpure Organics (red)
Curl enhancer: FSG
Gel: BRHG, Salon care aloe, Ecostyler Krystal (normal dews)
PT: ION effective care, IAgirl's gelatin PT
Low Poo: renpure (red), Ion swimmers
Don't forget, flax might help keep your nose shiny!!!

Don't feel bad if, in the end, FSG doesn't work for you. My sister swears by certain skin lotions that leave mine feeling as dry as ever and vice versa. Everybody's different.

I'm copying this from another post recently (it's long!):
I have several recipes and I'm always looking for the *PERFECT* one...
These days I try to make a full cup and I strain the FSG into a glass measuring cup so I am getting the same concentration of add-ins every time I make it. This ratio of seeds to water makes just over one cup (I lose water during boiling and that which cannot be strained out) - I have some golden flax seeds too which I've heard make more gel, but I have not tried them yet.
FSG with aloe and protein and xanthan gum (clumps, volume, medium hold, curl-enhancing):
1/4 c flaxseeds
about 2 cups distilled water (boil at least 5 minutes, 8-10 is better - you want it thick, but still strain-able)
Strain.
Add to one (8 oz.) cup FSG as it cools: about 1 tablespoon aloe vera juice/gel
1/2 heaping teaspoon xanthan gum (could be a smidge more - this is what I'm working on)
1/2 to 3/4 teaspoon Colorful Neutral Protein Filler or the same amount unflavored gelatin - gelatin needs to go into really hot FSG to dissolve
1-3 drops oil of your choice

In summer, it's an all-in-one for me. In fall/winter, I add a dab of stronger-hold gel on top.

FSG with thickener, salts, agave or honey: (also curl-enhancing, can be made stronger hold, rinses out very easily)
Same as above, 1/4 cup flax seeds and 2 cups water, boil, strain.
Thickener (pick one):
1)hydroxyethylcellulose (from cosmetics or soap supply) 1/2 teaspoon to 3/4 teaspoon added to FSG, allow to stand to hydrate until dissolved with some stirring. Makes a very jellylike gel, adds some hold.
2) Pectin - thick gel, a little hold, nice clumps - Add 1/2 to 1 teaspoon of "no sugar needed" pectin for making jam/jelly to strained FSG, bring to a boil and stir until dissolved - let simmer a few minutes.

Then add: Epsom salt 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon OR sea salt (same amount as epsom)
1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon honey or agave nectar
A couple drops of oil

You really need a thickener for a good FSG result. I've listed 3 above! I'm getting some instant food starch (sold for thickening pie filling) to try for kicks! Epsom salt or sea salt or protein all enhance curls for me, but too much salt and my hair feels kind of yucky.

You really can mix and match these recipes any way you like. (I know, waaay too many possible combinations)!!!

Xanthan gum gives the best hold for me (of the thickeners), and you can use more than I did. It's slow to dissolve and a stick blender or blender (or else an overnight sitting) is necessary to get it to fully dissolve.

Hydroxyethylcellulose + agave or honey will give you good hold if you can get some. Pectin is close and easier to get your hands on locally and will combine well with the honey or agave. Use a little oil or SOTC with a little oil or conditioner if you use a LOT of honey. The more honey or agave you use, the stronger the hold. But it is possible to go overboard. Don't exceed a teaspoon in your first trial.

Aloe is curl-enhancing for me too, and so is the protein. I can get a little overconditioned from the xanthan recipe (that may be me and only me, but I use it on DH's hair which can absorb globs of conditioner and coconut oil and even his hair gets quite soft with xanthan - it needs to be washed out or rinsed very, very well, IMO).

I water-wash or lowpoo daily too. I just need to deal with itchy skin that way.

Oh, I'm also planning to experiment with a tapioca/xanthan gel (no flax) when I'm out of my batch of FSG. So I'll share that recipe when I get it done. Fun!

Edit: for these to really work, you need to thoroughly saturate your hair with FSG. Get it all good and squishy-sounding. You can scrunch out the excess with a towel or t-shirt. FSG takes a heavy-handed application.

Of course, in dry weather, a strong-hold gel over FSG helps!
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Last edited by IAgirl; 11-16-2011 at 10:32 AM.
It wasn't the end-all-be-all for me either. I found that it worked a bit better when I applied it to mostly dry hair, scrunching up. I diffused for a minute and then let it set. SOTC and it was nice, defining and helping pull together my curls into clumps.
~Chiara~
Using FIA: 2b/2a mix with a few ringlets in the canopy, straighter in the under layer by my neck. Thin in density, fine strands. Normal porosity. Hennaed.

Go To's: Aveda, Lush
I can't use it alone, but I use it after my LI and before my gel as a curl enhancer. It gives good curl formation and I think the texture helps with clumping.

BUT, it won't work for everyone, and the only reason it works for me is because of the way I use it in my routine. Alone it wouldn't do much.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
Thanks ladies...and thanks IAgirl for your variation of the recipe. I shall try this one too - you never know when you'll hit on something good.
2b/3a fine/med-hi density/high porosity (I think)/ highlight-no silicones/sulfates
Lo-poo - ABBA Gentle Shampoo/ Shea Moisture Curl & Shine
Conditioner: GVCB (love it!)/ Regis OO
Leave in
: As I Am
Co-Wash: Tresemme or DevaCurl NoPoo
Stylers: As I Am Curling Jelly/GF Pure Clean/ LALCurl gel - all with BRHG added
Style: scrunch/ diffuse, then air dry. I don't Have much frizz at all
My sister has very fine, no-frizz wavy hair, but not dense like yours. When I styled hers once, what worked really well was FSG with a thickener and protein, with a little harder-hold gel over the top.
Another consideration.
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It didn't really work for me either. I had to add so much stuff (store bought products) that I didn't see a difference adding it to my routine or the point of going through the trouble to make it.
3a/b, fine texture, low porosity, normal elasticity, mod-CG 7/11/11

Poo: KC Come Clean, SM Moisture Retention
CO: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Renpure Argan Oil, YTCucumbers, Sevi Pumpkin
Style: AIF, HESMU, Biolage gelee, KCCC
LOOB for second day hair


Like BS/ACV rinses, limit protein/humectants.

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