I cant use sulfate free shampoos!?!

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Hey Ladies! I havent been on here in FOREVER! But I need some advice for those of you who still shampoo (daily).

I have tried numerous "Sulfate Free" Shampoo...Natural, Not so Natural, Expensive and Cheap...Every single type makes my hair feel BEYOND stripped and completely knotted and well...Frightening. My hair does not respond well to co washing. It feels healthy but weights my ringlets down to almost straight.

Does anyone have any advice to what shampoo I should look for and give a try...or maybe someone having the same problems with "sulfate free" Shampoos like I do and maybe an explanation to why!?! Soooo Frustrating. I really dont want to order my shampoos online. So Please...something local.

Help a Fellow Curly Out!

xoxox
Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...
I use (and love) Giovanni's TTTT shampoo - I cannot cannot cannot get away with shampooing any less than every other day, and even that is pushing it. It's available at my local Target. I will say I have tried a TON of other sulfate-free shampoos, and I felt like most of them made my hair feel gross (example: my hair HATED Organix, Burt's Bees, and all the L'Oreal sulfate free stuff.)

One question - what are you using for a conditioner? Are you sure it's the shampoo causing the problem?
Mod CG since 5/10, 2b/3a, med width/density, low/med porosity, greying since 18, color over grey since 21

Hair hates: non-keratin protein, glycerin, sorbitol, agave, sulfates, polyquats, co-washing (flaky scalp), maybe aloe?
Hair loves: fewer/more natural ingredients, moisture

Scalp wash: Selsun Blue naturals or reg when desperate
Low poo: Giovanni TTTT
RO: SN - Strawberry, ES
LI: SNES
Style: HETT mousse, FSG if I make it, ??
DT: GVPCB
PT: GVPKP

Last edited by susirene; 01-31-2012 at 02:28 PM.
Hey Ladies! I havent been on here in FOREVER! But I need some advice for those of you who still shampoo (daily).

I have tried numerous "Sulfate Free" Shampoo...Natural, Not so Natural, Expensive and Cheap...Every single type makes my hair feel BEYOND stripped and completely knotted and well...Frightening. My hair does not respond well to co washing. It feels healthy but weights my ringlets down to almost straight.

Does anyone have any advice to what shampoo I should look for and give a try...or maybe someone having the same problems with "sulfate free" Shampoos like I do and maybe an explanation to why!?! Soooo Frustrating. I really dont want to order my shampoos online. So Please...something local.

Help a Fellow Curly Out!

xoxox
Originally Posted by stina84
Oh my goodness yes. I had an awful time finding a low poo. Some low poos are more drying than a sulfate poo, I've found. I eventually realized that protein in any lowpoo is just too much for my hair to handle. Lots of trial and error, but I eventually found Mop c hydrating poo and Deva lowpoo to be perfect. I'm in my phone so I can't see If you list your hairs properties or not, but take a look at your ingredients and see if protein might be your problem.


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- 2C - Coarse Canopy & med/fine underlayers
- MOP C Hydrating 'poo
- LOreal Natures Therapy Moisturizing condish, ION Effective Care, Garnier S&S (old formula)
- treatments: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Repair Me!
- plopping, diffusing, and clipping the roots
I havent checked to see if Protein is the Problem, but Ill Look.

Ive used all different kinds of conditioners...everything from spray leave ons, to suave, to desert essence coconut, to that really heavy protein one.

I also have hard water, so I need to be careful with certain conditioners.

I tried the GTTT, and It made my scalp BUUUUURN! I dont know if it was the menthal or the tea tree but I need to stay away from that...I do however LOVE Giovanni Balanced Conditioner...that was a god send to me!
Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...
Have you tried the Giovanni 50/50? I found it to be a little more moisturizing than the TTT. I have to alternate between co-washing and low-pooing, but when I do co-wash I have to use a super light conditioner (Tresemme Naturals Radiant Volume or KCKT). Most of the time I use a cleansing conditioner instead.

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I had the SAME problem as you! I love Giovanni 50:50, Queen Helene Royal Curl, and Alba Botanicals...Good luck!

By the way, it took me FOREVER to find something that worked!
2b/3a, normal/high porosity, fine/medium texture, medium density, low elasticity

Low Poo- Tigi Colour Goddess, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT (clarify 1X/week)
Condish- CJ Curl Rehab, Giovanni 50:50, Giovanni TTT
Leave In- Slip Detangler, KCKT, Redken Curl Refiner
Style- KCCC, SS CEJ, SS FHG
Treatment- CJ Repair Me! and CJ CR

Dislikes: Too much protein, high glycerin content, and heavy oils
I like the Hugo Naturals shampoo (Whole Foods and online). My next try will probably be the Renpure in the red bottle. Many people love it. I've also heard good things about the Shea Moisture shampoos. The moisture retention one was too heavy for me, but I hear the hibiscus one is good, too.

Some people mix a sulfate poo with conditioner to make it less harsh. Others dilute a sulfate poo to wash. You might try one of those methods.

Kerri

2?/3a ??? ; fine; high density; normal porosity and elasticity
color treated

CURRENTLY USING:
cleanse:Organix Vanilla Silk, Use Me Cleansing Cream
rinse out/li:Ion Effective Care, Tresseme Naturals Radiant Volume (both with NPF added)
stylers:Curl Keeper, UFD Curly Magic, & Alba Botanicals Strong Hold Gel
PT:CJ Repair Me

mod CG since August 2010
Im gonna look into these that you all have suggested...

Now what about products? Does anyone have suggestions for that as well? I really dont like to fuss with my hair much...but I am more intersted in trying to figure out what kind of shampoo and conditioner I should be using!

UUUUGH THIS IS SOOOOO FRUSTRATING! Especially because 95% or this website avoid shampoos like the plague! LOL
Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...
I've been shampooing with VO5 Clarifying shampoo every 3 to 4 days for 2 weeks now, and condition with VO5 Moisture Milk, Strawberry. My hair looks better than ever. It has more wave and curl than it has had, but I am in a more humid climate, in Louisiana so that may be a factor.
I agree with you, most of the sulfate-free shampoos leave that "squeaky clean" feeling - tangly, maybe stripped and knotted - to me it feels sticky or tacky.
I have a partial explanation because i make my own shampoo thanks to my itchy husband (and you have one of those now too, if I'm not mistaken - maybe not itchy, though)
It is difficult to thicken the non-sulfate detergents and get a nice-looking, nice-feeling, shelf-stable product. So very often, they use a high concentration of detergent for the right syrupy texture. I use about 6% detergent in my shampoo, most formulas have something like 50% or more. Even "mild" detergents are harsh when they're used in higher concentrations.
Any detergent leaves something on your hair. The "mild" ones tend to leave that tacky feeling. Sulfate detergents usually feel kind of slimy. If you wash your hands with the sulfate-free shampoos that give you the tangly, dry feeling, you'll notice it on your skin too. There's just something about them...

I dilute commercial shampoos. That usually helps. I dilute them a lot - just enough to get some bubbles and have clean-feeling hair.

Unicyclist has posted her pretty wavy curls on the general boars and she uses Cetaphil Gentle Cleanser - which is kind of like a shampoo/conditioner cleanser - it has SLS (not too much), but also has creamy stuff to offset it: Water, cetyl alcohol, propylene glycol, sodium lauryl sulfate, stearyl alcohol, methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben. I've seen mixed reviews of it for sensitive skin. My hair looks awesome!
HTH!
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/

Last edited by IAgirl; 01-31-2012 at 05:39 PM.
AWWWW!!! IAGIRL I cant believe you remembered!!!! Yes weve been married since may 13th!!! Married life is...EXACTLY THE SAME, But thankfully I get my way more! hahahahaha!

So What shampoos do you use? Since I have such a bad result from the "sulfate free" shampoos, should I stay away from them and use traditional shampoos that dont have Dimethicone in it and just water it down? Can I put some in a bottle with water and use it until its empty? Whats all this talk about Baking Soda and ACV? Does any of this stuff you told me about just now make a difference because I have hard water? Can I use Clearly Natural Glycerin Soap Bar for my hair? Cuz that stuff does wonders for my skin...

Oh gosh I have soooooooooo many questions! I guess this teaches me not to soley stalk this website and ask questions here and there lol!!!
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Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...

Last edited by stina84; 01-31-2012 at 06:52 PM. Reason: heres a wedding picture for those who wanna see!!!!! <3
I use either Shea Moisture or Organix Shea, both dont seem to leave me feeling stripped. But I also don't poo every day.

I sometimes use the CWC method - put conditioner in your hair, then wash, then condition again. That helps with the stripping factor. Or you can try pre-pooing with coconut oil.
2c/3a/3b, Fine/med, Dense, high porous, & normal elas.

Lo-poo - Renpure Keratin, SMR, Giovanni SaS
clarifying - mix Johnson's H2T with low poo
Co-wash - Suave Nats. clar. or coco.
RO - GVPCB, Ion Eff. Care, TN.
LI - SMR, Cure Care, or RO
Seal - MO or Jojoba
DT - + honey, ACV, & EVOO to SM masque & GVPCB
PT - Gelatin!, CNPF
Styling - FSG, AIF, BRHG, LALS/PS, GF curl spray gel, SM Souffle/Smoothie, LOOB
Oils - MO!, EVOO, jojoba, GSO, SM Elixer, EVCO, VO5 Hairdressing
I wash daily with a sulfate shampoo. I too hated the feel of my hair with sulfate free and cowashing was not the answer for my hair either.

I use Lush shampoo and shampoo bars, in particular Cythina Sylvia Stout and Godiva. I find they are very gentle on my hair since I can use a small amount.

I rotate them with Aveda shampoos like Shampure and Clove.

I find my hair does best with ALES or ALS, but I can use SLES too.
~Chiara~
Using FIA: 2b/2a mix with a few ringlets in the canopy, straighter in the under layer by my neck. Thin in density, fine strands. Normal porosity. Hennaed.

Go To's: Aveda, Lush
Your wedding picture is beautiful! You look great.

I use regular sulfate shampoo a lot of the time. I'm not CG and I really don't care.

Otherwise I use Philosophy low poo. It's expensive but it's very rich and a little goes a long way. Sephora: Philosophy Falling In Love Shampoo, Bath & Shower Gel: Bath & Shower Gel There are tons of scents you can choose from.

If I lived in south Florida like you, I think I would probably use Ecostyler Argan Oil and BRHG. I might use a curl cream or leave in under that but it might not be necessary. I'm sure your weather is quite warm and humid most of the year.
Sort of CG sometimes, but not really
2B, medium? normal porosity and elasticity?

Cleansers -
Suave Clarifying, Philosophy Happy Birthday Beautiful

Stylers - BRHG, re:coil, Ion Hairspray

I live in the NYC area.


Thanks Ladies! I really appreciate the suggestions.

I LOOOOVE AVEDA EVERYTHING...I forgot about them. Im gonna go to their website RIGHT NOW and have a looksie! lol...

Isnt Aragon Oil really heavy?

Ive heard of these Lush Shampoo Bars but ive been told to STAY AWAY with my hard water! booooo...
Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...
Cool wedding pic! You look so pretty in every way.
I'm not sure about glycerin soap in the hair - might need vinegar or citric acid to cut the soap scum.

Why not use a "sulfate" shampoo? So easy to find. I like to dilute them or I get frizzy hair - some people have said that gives them bad results - YMMV. Always either dilute when you use it, or if you're going to dilute and leave it out for a while, dilute with distilled water which has been boiled and cooled. You still might get mold growth unless you use the shampoo within a week or 2.

If I'm not mistaken, the Lush shampoo bars are not "soap" they're "syndet" (abbreviation for synthetic detergent) bars - compressed powder/flake detergents. As such, they need to be concentrated, but then you can always suds up in your hands before applying to your hair.

I've been trying baking soda and citric acid (not fond of the vinegar). I put 1 teaspoon BS per cup warm water and "shampoo" with that. Here are my thoughts - it's a bit like making a super-mild "soap" in your hair. My hair tends to come out clean enough (but the BS does not remove most of the natural oils - so if I wanted cleaner hair, I need shampoo) and it actually dries (without product) curlier than with shampoo because it's not over-clean.
But after several tries, it didn't feel as nice as the first time around and my scalp itched - so I needed some shampoo. It's good once in a while.

Use whatever works, whatever doesn't make your hair look frazzled or limp, doesn't itch or smell nasty, is in your price range, etc.

Oh yeah, hard water - that makes some shampoos foam less. You can get minerals building up on your hair (more so with soap than shampoo), but only some people have a problem with that. Some of us prefer hard water.
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/
Funny you say that "some of us prefer hard water"...I DO! When my Hubby (still makes me giggle saying that) go to visit our home town, his mom has Soft water and...well...lets just say no one believes me my hair is really curly!

Ok, so im gonna try and dilute my shampoo and report back tonight...

Also, Ive been having a really itchy/burning feeling scalp along with flakes which ive NEVER had before! What could be causing that? I just noticed the suave that I tried using has dimethicone in it all the way at the bottom of it...sneaky lil *******s.
What could be making my head itch like this?
Love my Curls, but they need a swift kick in the ass!!!

-2b-3b Fine, med tex, med porosity, over moistured/easily weighed down, protein loving Curls!!!
-Live in South Florida and trying to figure out what to do with this hair of mine...
Suave makes my scalp itch because of (probably) the preservative(s). Dimethicone is usually pretty non-reactive.
http://science-yhairblog.blogspot.com/
I got the Hugo Naturals low poo at my grocery store for 9.99. It's good and doesn't make me itch but I have to use, like, a palmful of it (and I don't have a ton of hair). Same with the conditioner.

I really like the Organix shampoos but I can't use them every time because I tend to feel stripped out if I do. My fave is the coconut milk shampoo. It cleans well and has a kick of protein. But any of them are good, really.

I've also had decent luck with the Yes to Cucumbers low poo.
Mod CG since 8/2010
2cFii (fia), normal/normal, protein junkie. Itchy and allergic wavy!
Growing out
http://public.fotki.com/Mountaincurl/
pw: mountaincurl
The Lush shampoo bars are soap free. They are SLS, they just don't contain water thus a solid form. I have hard water too and they work just fine. No build up, in fact, I use them often to clarify.
~Chiara~
Using FIA: 2b/2a mix with a few ringlets in the canopy, straighter in the under layer by my neck. Thin in density, fine strands. Normal porosity. Hennaed.

Go To's: Aveda, Lush

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