Dry climate :(

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I got my haircut over Spring Break in Kentucky. My hair had never been so beautiful and full of curls. (see avatar and attached pic sorry for the icky definition) But now that I'm back in Colorado, my hair has gone into this whirly mess. I use the DevaCurl 3 step system. What products/DTs/DIY treatments can I get to put the moisture back in my hair?
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2c whirly curls, low porosity, medium texture/density

Experimenting, as usual. I've found that these products work well:

Low-poo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat shampoo and KC Come Clean shampoo
Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
RO: KCKT, DC OneC,
LI: KCKT (rarely used as a LI)
Stylers: CJ CiaB, KCSS, and homemade flax seed gel (FSG is a total HG btw!!)


Chopped off 12 inches of my hair on 3-22-14

Colorado Whirly

Last edited by CurlyBangs; 04-02-2012 at 08:20 AM.
I find Deva products very drying, and also very expensive. Would you be willing to use other products? I know of a TON of drugstore products and high-end ones that are extremely moisturizing

It would also help to know your hair properties; hair type helps some but it isn't everything. Is your hair fine, medium, or coarse? Low-porosity (generally, hair that is very "healthy" and hasn't been heat damaged, color treated, etc. although this may vary), normal porosity or high porosity (generally hair that is very damaged due to heat, chemical processes, etc although some people can have naturally high porosity hair)? Thick or thin?
whurly girly (2C/3A).
thick; medium/coarse; low porosity.
hair that is drier than the sahara desert.

LOW-POO: Renpure Organics
CO: L'Oreal EverCreme Cleansing Conditioner
RO: Renpure Keratin Conditioner. New HG!
LI: L'Oreal EverSleek Humidity-Defying LI Creme
Styling: SM Curl Milk, Argan Oil for sealing, sometimes GFPC Gel, some honey for hold, TIGI Control Freak Serum!!
I guess Deva might adapt to the climate around you perhaps? I dunno. This humectants stuff is confusing. I just wish Colorado had high humidity because it worked so well over Spring Break. Should I use something that doesn't have humectants to counter it?

Low porosity
Medium-fine
Heat free for almost a year, except I rarely dry with a diffuser on cool
Closer to thin than thick
2c whirly curls, low porosity, medium texture/density

Experimenting, as usual. I've found that these products work well:

Low-poo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat shampoo and KC Come Clean shampoo
Cowash: CJ Daily Fix
RO: KCKT, DC OneC,
LI: KCKT (rarely used as a LI)
Stylers: CJ CiaB, KCSS, and homemade flax seed gel (FSG is a total HG btw!!)


Chopped off 12 inches of my hair on 3-22-14

Colorado Whirly
Humectants will pull moisture out of hair in dry climates. So it may be worthwhile to try to limit those. You may also find sealing helpful. You apply an oil on wet or damp hair to seal in moisture. This way the dry air doesn't suck it from your hair.
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I find Deva products very drying, and also very expensive. Would you be willing to use other products? I know of a TON of drugstore products and high-end ones that are extremely moisturizing
Originally Posted by oh.hi.its.steph
I don't know about anyone else, but I'd love to hear your recommendations for moisturizing products (especially drugstore ones). I have very fine hair that loves high dew points, and I live in a desert, so I'm always trying to get more moisture into my hair!

Hair: Very fine, normal porous (Finally! Yay!), normal elasticity, loves high dew points.
Daily: Nature's Gate Tea Tree shampoo, GVP CB, Cure Care conditioner, aloe vera gel, Jessicurls products, Spiral Solutions products.
Monthly: Henna
As needed: John Masters Organics Sea Mist
HG Product: BioSilk Rock Hard Gelee (aka BRHG. It even has HG in the name!)
Last perm: 12/10/10
CG since: 3/9/12
Last haircut: 4/17/12
Gossamer Fringe (my blog)
Deva products are full of protein, and a lot of them have glycerin pretty high on the list (which is a humectant). This could be why they are making your hair dry. I live in a high humidity climate (Alabama) and I have a few devacurl products (curl cream, B'leav in gel, and arc angel) that I've used a couple of times. I like them ok, but I have others that are much cheaper that work well on my hair as well. My hair is thin, but I have a good bit of it. It's not very thick though, so I'm going to say overall thickness is between fine and medium density.

I've read that a lot of dry climate people like the Aussie Instant Freeze gel. Some can get away with LA Looks SPorts gel (this can be drying as well). Here's my CG product list so far.

Biotera Firm Hold Gel
LA Bella Curls Gel
LA Looks Sports Gel
LA Looks VaVaVolume (haven't tried)
LA Looks Mega Beachy Waves (haven't tried)
LA Looks Nutracurl (I'm undecided about this)
LA Looks Curl Gel (I think this is discontinued, but I found a bottle of it at Rite Aid.)
Curls Goddess Curls
Kinky Curly Spiral Spritz
Giovanni Thickening Gel (one of my favorites)
EcoStyler (the clear kind. also a favorite)
Shea Moisture Curling Milk, Smoothie, Souffle (the milk is my favorite)
Shea Moisture Biotin Thickening Milk, Biotin Thickening Spray (I like the spray. Still unsure about the thickening milk.)
Pantene Curl Gel
Pantene Mousse for thin hair
Aussie Instant Freeze Gel (Used this a lot before CG)
Aussie Instant Freeze Mousse
Herbel Essence Totally Twisted Gel
Herbel Essence Tously Me Softly Mousse
One n' Only Argan Oil Volumizing Mousse
Organix Moroccan Curl Defining Cream
L'orel EverSleek Humidity Defining Cream (Haven't used it yet)
Devacurl Curl Creme, B'Leave In Gel, ArcAngel Gel

This is all I can remember from the top of my head. I hope this helps. Also, if your climate is dry, you might want to try a LI if you don't already. I think I might have to stop using one for the summer here, but what I've been using are Tresemme Naturals and Sauve Naturals.
CG as of Feb. 2012
combination hair.
2c on top - low elasticity
3a&b scattered underneath - normal elasticity.
fine texture. thin density. A lot of it.
porosity: normal to high.
loves protein and moisture.
BSACV as needed.

products may vary. i'm a PJ.
loving Curl Junkie, Curly Kinks, and AS I Am.
My hair isn't a fan of Deva products here in Colorado. Here is my list of current favorite products:

Shea Moisture Moisture Retention shampoo
SheaM Curl & Shine shampoo
Garnier Fructis Pure Clean shampoo (clarify once a week)
As I Am coconut cowash (once a week otherwise too much)
Yes to Carrots Conditioner (rinse out, new but I'm liking it so far)
Ion Effective Care (PT or IAgirls PT)
SheaM Curl & Style Hair Milk (leave-in)
Max Green Alchemy Styling gel
Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee (holding gel)
AG Re:Coil (c/e, cream)
SheaM Curl Enhancing Smoothie (c/e, cream)
**only the last 2 have glycerin**

I don't use all at once of course. Usually there's the leave-in, styling gel, curl enhancer/cream and holding gel after poo/cowash, etc. The 2 c/e's I rotate and they do have glycerin down on the list, 6th I think on the CES and I believe Re:coil is even further down. I don't use either of those in the winter and I'm racking my brain to figure what the heck I used this winter for c/e but for some reason I can't remember (it'll come to me later). I've been trying Biotera curl creme again for c/e since my regimen has changed dramatically since I last used it but I'm still not wowed by it and I think it's leaving little glops that soak in or dry up, not sure which but it's gone by the time my hair is dry. I won't repurchase it.
Southern Colorado Curly
Mix of 2s med-low porosity, med-fine texture, lots of hair
Oh and I forgot Cure Care from Sally's. It's a lightweight conditioner. Some use it as a leave-in, rinse out, and/or cowash. I like it as a light rinse out if I don't need a thick one but I really like it mixed with AIA cowash.
Southern Colorado Curly
Mix of 2s med-low porosity, med-fine texture, lots of hair
missbanjo - awesome to find another Colorado curly! I started a thread in the 3a forum looking for product recommendations for dry climate before I found this thread.
beeduh mentioned the Shea Moisture products as well, so I'm planning to try those - just having a hard time finding the items I want in stock on the ground.

I had a deva cut a few months ago, and loved the low-poo and One C at the salon, but since I ordered the One C for home, I haven't been too impressed (the smell is WAY too strong and lemony - yuck.) I haven't tried any of the DevaCurl styling products as my stylist didn't think I'd be too impressed with them.

I've been trying to find a good curl enhancing cream, but I noticed that a lot of them have glycerin in them. I've tried some Darcy's Botanicals creams so far - my hair does feel moisturized, but there still seems to be some frizz unless I use a ton of product, and them my hair feels weighed down and less curly/bouncy (my hair is on the fine side of normal). I didn't look to see where glycerin was on the list, so maybe that's the issue. I've wanted to try the AG Re:Coil, but wanted to find someone in a dry climate to see how there hair reacted to it.

Here are some pics of my hair in a pretty natural state - I had just done my weekly cleanse/DT and then used a little KCKT for LI and dime-sized amount of Ouidad Climate Control gel (received a sample of this in the mail) on soaking wet hair before I plopped and air-dried. My hair was really soft and manageable without too much frizz, but I'd like a little more curl definition and shine - any suggestions?
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2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
I'd like to see what other curlies use in dry climates. Do you use the same products year round? What are your favorites? It looks like our average dew points are int the twenties or so .
3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

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Last edited by Curlsnswirls; 05-15-2012 at 08:11 PM.
I don't have anything helpful to add, I'm too new. But I live in a dry climate too, panhandle of Texas. Still experimenting.
2a canopy with 2b underneath.
Fine hair, low elasticity,
Hair dislikes oil
Live in dry climate
It's been a little while since I last posted in this thread so I wanted to give an update. I've done some experimenting and finally found a pretty consistent routine.

I've eliminated glycerin as much as possible (still some occasionally, but only in products I rinse out and not in stuff I leave in or style with) as this ingredient can cause frizz/dryness in low dews. I also started eliminating proteins (some seems okay, specifically silk protein seems to agree with my hair) and aloe (my hair does not like aloe in styling products). I think these things helped get rid of the frizzy, dry, crunchy feeling I was experiencing. I also starting sealing with oil and making homemade FSG - loving both of these! And recently tried the SN everlasting sunshine condish - works great for my hair (no protein, aloe or glycerin). I also like the SM coconut & hibiscus curl & style milk ( but not the smoothie). I think the main things that have worked for me living in a dry climate are avoiding glycerin, sealing with oil before I style, and the FSG. This helps keep the moisture in my hair all day, and leaves it very soft and shiny.

HTH!




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2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
It's been a little while since I last posted in this thread so I wanted to give an update. I've done some experimenting and finally found a pretty consistent routine.

I've eliminated glycerin as much as possible (still some occasionally, but only in products I rinse out and not in stuff I leave in or style with) as this ingredient can cause frizz/dryness in low dews. I also started eliminating proteins (some seems okay, specifically silk protein seems to agree with my hair) and aloe (my hair does not like aloe in styling products). I think these things helped get rid of the frizzy, dry, crunchy feeling I was experiencing. I also starting sealing with oil and making homemade FSG - loving both of these! And recently tried the SN everlasting sunshine condish - works great for my hair (no protein, aloe or glycerin). I also like the SM coconut & hibiscus curl & style milk ( but not the smoothie). I think the main things that have worked for me living in a dry climate are avoiding glycerin, sealing with oil before I style, and the FSG. This helps keep the moisture in my hair all day, and leaves it very soft and shiny.

HTH!




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Originally Posted by jsuzkelley
Thanks for the update. I'm thinking of cutting out glycerin as well to see how that affects my hair. I also need to make another batch of FSG. Sealing has made a huge difference for me.
3a (normal-porosity/elasticity/density)
Cleanse: CHS TS+oil, poo bars, Sevi pumpkin poo, Co-wash
LI/RO:MD RCLI, GDLI-GVPCB, DB pumpkin, Tresemmé Naturals
Stylers: LALSG, Volumax styling, CHS CK, BRHG, KCCC, Gel-les'C, JC Spiralicious, AOMM, FSG, SSCEJ

$5 off 1st order under $40, $10 off over $40...at iherb use code KEY066
Desert curly over here!
I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

Some moisturizing favorites:
-Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
-Tresemme Naturals conditioner
-Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...
CG Birthday: 7/25/11
Type 3a/2c
Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
Leave In: ^^^^
Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
*Desert Curly*
Desert curly over here!
I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

Some moisturizing favorites:
-Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
-Tresemme Naturals conditioner
-Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...
Originally Posted by SaraNoH
I love the Tresemme Naturals as well; besides as a RO or co-wash, I use that for my DT and add EVOO, honey and vitamin e - it is great. Always makes my hair feel so silky and soft.

I've been considering the Giovanni Direct LI for some time - it's available in lots of stores here so I keep seeing it. But I'm a little scared of the soy protein - I've been recovering from what I think was a protein overload, and just adding a little in certain products. So far, silk proteins are fine, but I'm not sure about soy (I definitely stay away from wheat proteins). They sell sample sizes at the Vitamin Cottage by my work, so I may do that and see how it goes.

One other thing I've notice that seems to be working for me, is rotating products. Now that I've found a couple different things that work, I'm sort of cycling through and not using exactly the same products each time (with the exception of my FSG - use that everytime!).
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
Just had another quick thought - have any of you desert curlies tried an ACV rinse? I have not tried this yet, but I hear it is supposed to help close the hair shaft. I suppose if you have low porosity this may be uneccessary, but I'm wondering if rinsing with ACV would help lock in moisture and keep the extra dryness at bay. Thoughts? Anyone tried this?
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
Desert curly over here!
I avoid strong humectants as much as possible, as far as stylers etc.

Some moisturizing favorites:
-Giovanni Direct Leave In (freaking amazing)
-Tresemme Naturals conditioner
-Cantu Shea Daily Oil Moisturizer (as a sealer)

Giovanni can be found at Target or health food stores; the others are from stores such as Target, Walmart, grocery stores, or drug stores.

I've noticed a marked difference in how my hair feels since consistently using these ones. It's so soft...
Originally Posted by SaraNoH
I love the Tresemme Naturals as well; besides as a RO or co-wash, I use that for my DT and add EVOO, honey and vitamin e - it is great. Always makes my hair feel so silky and soft.

I've been considering the Giovanni Direct LI for some time - it's available in lots of stores here so I keep seeing it. But I'm a little scared of the soy protein - I've been recovering from what I think was a protein overload, and just adding a little in certain products. So far, silk proteins are fine, but I'm not sure about soy (I definitely stay away from wheat proteins). They sell sample sizes at the Vitamin Cottage by my work, so I may do that and see how it goes.

One other thing I've notice that seems to be working for me, is rotating products. Now that I've found a couple different things that work, I'm sort of cycling through and not using exactly the same products each time (with the exception of my FSG - use that everytime!).
Originally Posted by jsuzkelley
The soy protein is pretty far down on the list and I've had to trouble with it at all. I've got some patches of really course hair in the back and they haven't reacted badly to it. I say go for it. The benefits outweigh any risk of damage for sure, since it's so moisturizing. That alone should combat any protein-induced dryness.

I've tried AVC rinses before but I'm very low-porosity so I'm not sure they did anything extra....
CG Birthday: 7/25/11
Type 3a/2c
Dense, Fine in front Coarse in back, Low porosity
Low-Poo: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Rinse Out: Tresemme Naturals
Leave In: ^^^^
Stylers: AIF, Natural Silks Curly Gel
*Desert Curly*
Stopped at Vitamin Cottage during lunch today and picked up a sample of the Giovanni Direct LI; my hair was a looking a little frizzier than normal, so to experiment, I smoothed a little of the LI over my hair. It felt super moisturizing yet not too heavy, tamed down the frizz, and it smells nice too. Can't wait to try this on wet hair.
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
Some of my favorite products for low dew points (which is all I ever get like you guys):
Tresemme Naturals moisturizing conditioner (as RO and LI)
Biolage conditioning balm (as RO/ DT)
KCKT
KCCC
SM Curl Milk
BRHG (!!!)
Oil sealing (very light, and not every day, or my hair gets greasy looking)
Coconut oil pre-poos (occasional)

I avoid glycerin if it's in the first couple ingredients, but if it's farther down my hair seems ok with it. For example, I can use KCSS (I love it for SOTC) and AG Recoil with no problems. I also don't use these every day though.

I give my fine hair lots of protein so that it can handle lots of moisture. I used to get over-conditioned really easily when I had almost no protein in my regimen.

ACV rinses are awesome for me. I should do them more, but I just do them here and there when I think about them. Instant smoothing of the hair with the result being a shiny, frizz-free hair day. Highly recommend.
Some of my favorite products for low dew points (which is all I ever get like you guys):
Tresemme Naturals moisturizing conditioner (as RO and LI)
Biolage conditioning balm (as RO/ DT)
KCKT
KCCC
SM Curl Milk
BRHG (!!!)
Oil sealing (very light, and not every day, or my hair gets greasy looking)
Coconut oil pre-poos (occasional)

I avoid glycerin if it's in the first couple ingredients, but if it's farther down my hair seems ok with it. For example, I can use KCSS (I love it for SOTC) and AG Recoil with no problems. I also don't use these every day though.

I give my fine hair lots of protein so that it can handle lots of moisture. I used to get over-conditioned really easily when I had almost no protein in my regimen.

ACV rinses are awesome for me. I should do them more, but I just do them here and there when I think about them. Instant smoothing of the hair with the result being a shiny, frizz-free hair day. Highly recommend.
Originally Posted by wavymom
Hmmm...I've been considering the GVP conditioning balm - I can't remember though, does it contain protein or aloe very high up in the ingredient list? I may check this out. The KCKT was not moisturizing enough for me - my hair gets sooo dry. I wanted the KCCC to work for me, but my hair does not seem to like aloe, particularly in a gel or gelly type product. My hair, even though it is on the fine side of normal, does not seem to get weighed down too much, and just drinks up moisture. I think this is why sealing is a hit for me - helps lock in the moisture. For this reason, I'm really curious if the ACV rinse would work for me. How do you use it? Do you mix with water? Rinse after you co-wash?

TIA!

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2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011

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