2c Documenting my Journey...

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Hi,
I am finally posting some photos. It's been almost exactly one year since starting the CG method (which I'm not really following anymore, more on that later).

Day Zero vs Day 364:


From the back:


Other Side:


Some Notes on my experiments over the past year:
1. I have tried multiple CG-friendly styling products (all of the Deva Curl creams and gels, Kinky Curly Curl Custard), without success. I really, REALLY tried . I determined that my hair just requires products with silicones. Otherwise it's dry and damaged-appearing.

2. My scalp cannot tolerate co-washing. Part of it is due to heavy workouts- I cannot get my scalp clean after a workout without a bit of regular, sulfate-filled shampoo. I started using a small amount of regular sulfate shampoo every day or so and my scalp is much healthier- and my curls form much better as well.

3. My hair is actually growing!

4. There is no such thing as "second-day hair" for me. No matter what I do at night- put it up in a loose bun, satin pillowcase, satin scarf, whatever- it is a disaster in the morning and needs re-washed (not just re-wetted).

5. I've done a lot of business travel in the past year, and the water in almost every area of the country seems to do MUCH better for my hair than where I live

The above photos were taken after a full day of work, changing clothes a few times... changing clothes used to be the WORST for my hairstyle! It would just flatten and frizz the curls away... well there's a little frizz but not much. My curls actually STAY!

I'll update my signature with my current methods. I can't believe I ever straightened my hair regularly and didn't embrace my curls before starting this journey. I now feel lucky to have these 2c curls!
2C- my journey is documented HERE
Most porous hair in the universe
baby fine (individual hairs are basically invisible when they fall out, maddening!)
lots of it

Current routine: B&B Curl Conscious Defining Creme combed-in to soaking wet hair, Got2B Spiked Gel scrunched in. Daily shampoo with mix of Deva Curl No-Poo and Tresseme regular sulfate-filled shampoo for dry hair followed by five minutes of random conditioner


It's finally growing!

Modified CG since 13 April 2012

Last edited by CurlMD; 04-12-2013 at 12:19 AM.
Your curls are beautiful! Thanks for sharing these pics and your journey with us! It's great to hear that you found a routine that works for you -- and your gorgeous curls are proof of that!
Mod-CG since December 2010.
Hair type: NC: 2A; FIA: 2cFii; Fine, normal porosity, normal elasticity
Cleansing: CJ Cleansing Conditioner, Trader Joe's Tea Tree, or Deva No Poo
Daily conditioner: Deva One C or CJ Beauticurls Strengthening Hair Cond or GPB
Styling products: Deva B'Leave In + Deva Curl Cream + AnGel; or
SS CEJ + BRHG; or AG: Recoil + BRHG; or KCKT + KCCC + BRHG
Treatments: SS protein treatment or CJ Curl Fix or Nexxus Emergencee + CJ Curl Rehab

The products that I found worked best for me weren't even actual hair products. It's weird stuff like aloe vera gel and honey and apple cider vinegar. I found most products were too heavy or just made The Mop act strange.

I love your thread though! Your hair is so pretty! One odd thing I found was that when I stopped highlighting my hair, it got curlier. It was too much upkeep for me and I do now put a light brown color on it (got some gray in there!) and all kinds of curls came back as the highlights grew off.

I also wanted to say don't feel bad if CG doesn't work for you. I cheat and use hairspray. I would look like a chia pet if I didn't.

What I do for second day hair is mist lightly with water and scrunch it and let it air dry while I get ready. It comes out bigger with a little more frizz, but the key is bigger. Then I can put it up in a "messy" bun with some well placed bobby pins. I work in a place that doesn't even have business casual Fridays, it's business all day, every day, and the "messy" bun hasn't raised an eyebrow.
My hair is insane, porous, fine, thick/dense, 2C/3A depending on the humidity that day.
shampoo: L'Oreal Sulfate free stuff sometimes
co-wash: Suave Naturals coconut
condish: GVP conditioning balm
leave in: Will try Tresemme Naturals volume (as if I need volume)
products:
honey, FOTE AVG=my HG, Noodle Head mousse, HETT


One odd thing I found was that when I stopped highlighting my hair, it got curlier. It was too much upkeep for me and I do now put a light brown color on it (got some gray in there!) and all kinds of curls came back as the highlights grew off.
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Originally Posted by The Mop
not to guano the OPs thread here but highlighting is extremely damaging to hair (it literally bleaches holes into the cortex of a hair strand) so it's not odd to me that quitting it would bring your curl back

OP - your hair looks great I can't cowash either, I use sulfates & while I avoid heavy silicones in high concentrations, I use them at times. what has made the biggest difference for me is styling techniques. You've done amazing with your hair & I'm jealous of your growth. Mine grows less than 1/4" a month so I understand how frustrating that is!
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

One odd thing I found was that when I stopped highlighting my hair, it got curlier. It was too much upkeep for me and I do now put a light brown color on it (got some gray in there!) and all kinds of curls came back as the highlights grew off.
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Originally Posted by The Mop
not to guano the OPs thread here but highlighting is extremely damaging to hair (it literally bleaches holes into the cortex of a hair strand) so it's not odd to me that quitting it would bring your curl back

OP - your hair looks great I can't cowash either, I use sulfates & while I avoid heavy silicones in high concentrations, I use them at times. what has made the biggest difference for me is styling techniques. You've done amazing with your hair & I'm jealous of your growth. Mine grows less than 1/4" a month so I understand how frustrating that is!
Originally Posted by lcl0706
I still highlight/medium-light every 2 or 3 months- I really wish I could stop. I have been mostly grey and white (much more white than grey!) since the age of 30; there's just no way around using some sort of color without aging myself tremendously. (I really really wish I could stop the color). I was white-blond before it turned white but I no longer go extremely blond.

I agree- styling techniques make all the difference regardless of what products I use (as long as they have at least a small amount of silicone, haha).
2C- my journey is documented HERE
Most porous hair in the universe
baby fine (individual hairs are basically invisible when they fall out, maddening!)
lots of it

Current routine: B&B Curl Conscious Defining Creme combed-in to soaking wet hair, Got2B Spiked Gel scrunched in. Daily shampoo with mix of Deva Curl No-Poo and Tresseme regular sulfate-filled shampoo for dry hair followed by five minutes of random conditioner


It's finally growing!

Modified CG since 13 April 2012
I LOVE the shape of your hair in the most recent pictures. I have been thinking about cutting my hair and I am saving your pics to show my stylist
One odd thing I found was that when I stopped highlighting my hair, it got curlier. It was too much upkeep for me and I do now put a light brown color on it (got some gray in there!) and all kinds of curls came back as the highlights grew off.
.
Originally Posted by The Mop
not to guano the OPs thread here but highlighting is extremely damaging to hair (it literally bleaches holes into the cortex of a hair strand) so it's not odd to me that quitting it would bring your curl back

OP - your hair looks great I can't cowash either, I use sulfates & while I avoid heavy silicones in high concentrations, I use them at times. what has made the biggest difference for me is styling techniques. You've done amazing with your hair & I'm jealous of your growth. Mine grows less than 1/4" a month so I understand how frustrating that is!
Originally Posted by lcl0706
I still highlight/medium-light every 2 or 3 months- I really wish I could stop. I have been mostly grey and white (much more white than grey!) since the age of 30; there's just no way around using some sort of color without aging myself tremendously. (I really really wish I could stop the color). I was white-blond before it turned white but I no longer go extremely blond.

I agree- styling techniques make all the difference regardless of what products I use (as long as they have at least a small amount of silicone, haha).
Originally Posted by CurlMD
I color my hair too but I use a demi-permanent so it's less damaging. did I miss your hair properties listed somewhere?
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

I really wanted to go back to high/low lights due to all my gray/white hair but my curls are so much better with the brown. It's a pain to keep up with though because the roots can be scary if I go too long.
My hair is insane, porous, fine, thick/dense, 2C/3A depending on the humidity that day.
shampoo: L'Oreal Sulfate free stuff sometimes
co-wash: Suave Naturals coconut
condish: GVP conditioning balm
leave in: Will try Tresemme Naturals volume (as if I need volume)
products:
honey, FOTE AVG=my HG, Noodle Head mousse, HETT


well whatever you're doing looks good :-) I was curious if you knew your hair properties because I wondered if some of the trouble you had with silicone free products may have come from not using the proper ingredients for your hair properties.
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

well whatever you're doing looks good :-) I was curious if you knew your hair properties because I wondered if some of the trouble you had with silicone free products may have come from not using the proper ingredients for your hair properties.
Originally Posted by lcl0706
Pardon my ignorance. What do you mean by hair properties?
2C- my journey is documented HERE
Most porous hair in the universe
baby fine (individual hairs are basically invisible when they fall out, maddening!)
lots of it

Current routine: B&B Curl Conscious Defining Creme combed-in to soaking wet hair, Got2B Spiked Gel scrunched in. Daily shampoo with mix of Deva Curl No-Poo and Tresseme regular sulfate-filled shampoo for dry hair followed by five minutes of random conditioner


It's finally growing!

Modified CG since 13 April 2012
Okay I think I figured out what you mean by properties

Porosity- I had always assumed high porosity because of my hair's frustrating ability to absorb smells. I cannot enter a restaurant for more than 2 minutes without have my hair smell like the restaurant, can't go into a room where there's air freshener without my hair smelling like air freshener... and unpleasant smells too
Very fine hair, almost invisible strands

Density- I'd say medium

I honestly have no idea how to match hair properties to product. I read so many good things on this site about these various products, I had (incorrectly) assumed they would magically work on my hair. Whatever the reason might be, silicone containing products work best for my hair, and using a bit of sulfate-containing shampoo a few times a week works much better than consistent no-poo.

Though, I realize that my hair probably does better with sulfate shampoo because it has to remove the buildup from the silicone containing products, right? But if that's what it takes...I will say my hair is so much healthier than it was one year ago. AFter I would shampoo back then, I would note how dry my hair felt. Now it always feels soft and healthy after a wash.
2C- my journey is documented HERE
Most porous hair in the universe
baby fine (individual hairs are basically invisible when they fall out, maddening!)
lots of it

Current routine: B&B Curl Conscious Defining Creme combed-in to soaking wet hair, Got2B Spiked Gel scrunched in. Daily shampoo with mix of Deva Curl No-Poo and Tresseme regular sulfate-filled shampoo for dry hair followed by five minutes of random conditioner


It's finally growing!

Modified CG since 13 April 2012
if you went a whole year without trying to match your properties to products, I can easily see how you had problems! and yes, using sulfate is what is needed to remove silicones and why you feel like you have to use it. I occasionally sulfate poo to clarify, but the cycle is what it seems like you're caught in.

You probably think silicones are necessary to look good because you never used a product meant for your hair properties! I am not telling you what to do, but with baby fine porous hair I can almost guarantee you your hair would respond well to protein. have you tried a PT? it will reduce frizz in productless hair and strengthen your curl pattern. IA girl has a great PT recipe using gelatin posted in the recipe section and I'm begging you, if you never do anything else, please please try it. Follow it up with a silicone free RO like Tresseme naturals and see what you think.

with fine porous hair you'd want to use very lightweight products, with protein,to help with strength & help repair damage. Proteins are collagen, hydrolyzed wheat/silk/soy, silk amino acids, keratin. I can bet you money with products designed for your hair you'd end up with better results. not everything works for everyone. Fine hair, especially, is prone to OCing & being weighed down.
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

Well, I do protein treatments sometimes (nothing homemade- I've purchased them). I haven't tried a gelatin recipe, but I will if I can remember to buy non-colored gelatin.

My product struggles haven't all been without direction. I am certain I read a thread about someone with baby fine hair having such success with Kurly Kinky Custard, and that prompted me to buy that. And, as I said...or perhaps I didn't say it... I have tried EVERY SINGLE DEVA CURL STYLING PRODUCT that is made (and is available at the store near me). Over the past 9 months I gave each one a two week trial (sometimes using appropriate combinations). I never understood why they didn't work for me. The only one I found any success with was the Set it Free spray- that is a good compliment to my go-to silcone-filled Bumble and Bumble for Fine Curls.

I am sure there's a silcone-free, sulfate-free combination out there for me somewhere... I will find it, I'm sure. I appreciate everyone's suggestions.
2C- my journey is documented HERE
Most porous hair in the universe
baby fine (individual hairs are basically invisible when they fall out, maddening!)
lots of it

Current routine: B&B Curl Conscious Defining Creme combed-in to soaking wet hair, Got2B Spiked Gel scrunched in. Daily shampoo with mix of Deva Curl No-Poo and Tresseme regular sulfate-filled shampoo for dry hair followed by five minutes of random conditioner


It's finally growing!

Modified CG since 13 April 2012
I personally hate KCCC and I have fine hair. sometimes I can find success if I use a tiny tiny bit in wet hair but it's easy to overdo it.

most deva products have protein in them which your hair should like but a lot of us find them drying. Deva isn't the be all & end all of curly hair. I have never tried them honestly. Not once in almost 2 yrs curly. My go to products are KCKT as a leave in, Giovanni naturals air turbo mousse, and suave captivating curls spray gel. Cheap stuff.

I'm surprised the ingredients in the bumble stuff don't weigh your hair down. anyways, I had the most success with anything once I put it into soaking wet hair.

HTH!
fine, thin, normal/(low?) porosity. Mod-CG. Usually I can't co-wash more than 1x a week, & sometimes I have to use T-Gel in rotation due to scalp issues.

Co-wash: VO5 Volumizing
Poo: Giovanni 50:50
RO:TN, Nexxus Youth Renewal, Alba Coconut
LI: KCKT
PT: gelatin PT, ION EC
Stylers: Giovanni mousse, TIGI Curls Rock amplifier (a-cone), Curls Rock Strong Hold Mousse
Gels: SCC spray gel

After reading this post I have decided to quit highlighting once and for all but I hope I can improve my curl pattern etc. also definitely going to look into that PT gelatin recipe and try it out on my hair we will see! I'm having quite a few problems with my hair recently probably because I just switched some products. I know my properties but I haven't really bought property specific products yet
CG since: 2/9/2013
HAIR: 2a/b with nearly straight hair at neck, flat on top, low porosity, medium density, fine, medium length
Currently using:
Low Poo/No Poo: SM YB, Malibu C Hardwater Wellness (every other day)
Rinse Out: Malibu C Hardwater Wellness Conditioner
Leave In: SM Coconut Hibiscus Curl and Style Milk
Gel: Volumax (Sally's)
PT: gelatin!
DT: Curls Unleashed NR

Love diffusing.
Always learning!
I know fine hair is more likely to like protein, coarse hair not so likely..but I'm wondering if there are more guidelines that have passed me by that might be useful for some of us. I'll look around and if I can find a thread that summarises it (because in an way that is what most threads on here come down to) I'll link it.

ETA- I found this Porous and Fine: Share your Hair Biography

and there are probably similar threads for different properties combos in the relevant sections.
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.

Last edited by lucyprimrose; 04-18-2013 at 09:23 PM.
Ooh, I think we are what I have seen referred to around this website as "hair twins"I'm another very fine, very porous 2C, and am the same way about second day hair and sometimes have the same issue you were talking about early on in the thread with one side looking better than the other.

My hair is, of course, also hideously bleach-damaged (four months after a trim and nearly a third of my hairs are split ends) but I'm pretty fond of having silly-colored hair, so I've got no intention of stopping.

I just started trying CG a couple weeks ago and have been having reasonable success with cheap store brand products (small amount of Aveeno Pure Renewal Shampoo, Tresemme Naturals Conditioner, Garnier Smoothing Cream, and Pantene Pro-V Fine Hair Gel) and an every-other-day diluted vinegar rinse (most helpful thing I've found so far). Just tried a homemade protein treatment today, but I'm not sure how well it worked because my hair's not cooperating today in general (one of those days where I can't stop trying to fix it, even though messing around with it makes it worse). My hair's definitely less soft and more frizzy than it was with silicon products, but it's also way curlier, so I haven't given up on trying to make CG work just yet.
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