2nd day hair..failure..what am I doingwrong?

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I have no idea what I"m doing wrong with trying to get 2nd day hair. It's like I lose more hair on the second day and it just stays dry and brittle all day.

Day 1:
-- Shampoo and Condition with a Keratin sulfate free shampoo and cond.
--Detangler
--Nourishing creme (for conditioning)
--Gel

Day 2:
-- Spritz with water
-- Detangler
-- Gel
--Conditioning Serum (split ends, conditions, gets rid of frizz)
-- Leave in Conditioner

All the products are from EO and are completely sulfate, paraben, etc. free. Am I doing something wrong? I would think on the 2nd day my hair would still be moisturized.
I'd start by checking for silicones in the products. The serum that helps with split ends and all is quite possibly not silicone free.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

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I second the silicones check - "serum" products are almost always cones.

Sometimes I get better results by putting conditioner in my hair while it's still dry, then spritzing and scrunching... seems to provide me with better moisture the second day.
No silicons. =/ just a bunch of oils. Maybe I just can't have second day hair with styling.

I have also noticed that more of my hair comes out when I detangle it.
Agree on checking for silicones - you can spot them by their suffixes that end in -cone, -xane, or -conol.
I think you should also find your hair properties, especially texture and porosity.

texture:
http://livecurlylivefree.blogspot.co...r-texture.html
porosity:
http://livecurlylivefree.blogspot.co...-porosity.html

If your hair is coarse, you might be ODing, on protein (which is keratin, among others) which can leave hair dry, hay-like, and tangly.

Just some ideas, but it is truly important to find the properties of your hair.
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Last edited by Lucky Charm; 05-05-2012 at 12:19 PM.
You could try eliminating the gel from your second day hair routine. Spritzing with water should reactivate the gel you already have in your hair.
Clean: SM Moisture Retention Shampoo
Condition: SM Restorative Conditioner, Ion Effective Care Treatment, GVP Conditioning Balm
Style: AIACJ, L'Oreal Everstyle Strong Hold Defining Gel, BRHG
If your hair is porous, it will hemmorage moisture. I had to scrunch/smooth in conditioner before or after spritzing with water for a while after going CG before my hair would retain moisture for 2 days in a row.


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I think you should also find your hair properties, especially texture and porosity.

texture:
http://livecurlylivefree.blogspot.co...r-texture.html
porosity:
http://livecurlylivefree.blogspot.co...-porosity.html


Just some ideas, but it is truly important to find the properties of your hair.
Originally Posted by Lucky Charm
This. It's the first step in understanding what your hair needs and how to give it what it needs. It becomes so much easier to diagnose hair problems when you know it's properties.


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Agree on checking for silicones - you can spot them by their suffixes that end in -cone, -xane, or -conol.
I think you should also find your hair properties, especially texture and porosity.

texture:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Texture
porosity:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Porosity

If your hair is coarse, you might be ODing, on protein (which is keratin, among others) which can leave hair dry, hay-like, and tangly.

Just some ideas, but it is truly important to find the properties of your hair.
Originally Posted by Lucky Charm

Thank you. But I'm a little confused. It says that high porosity is where the hair is dry and brittle, but then there was a test and said if the hair floated it was non-porous. My hair floated, yet my hair is dry and brittle? Ehh...

Last edited by itskyrsten; 05-07-2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason: adding to it
Agree on checking for silicones - you can spot them by their suffixes that end in -cone, -xane, or -conol.
I think you should also find your hair properties, especially texture and porosity.

texture:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Texture
porosity:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Porosity

If your hair is coarse, you might be ODing, on protein (which is keratin, among others) which can leave hair dry, hay-like, and tangly.

Just some ideas, but it is truly important to find the properties of your hair.
Originally Posted by Lucky Charm

Thank you. But I'm a little confused. It says that high porosity is where the hair is dry and brittle, but then there was a test and said if the hair floated it was non-porous. My hair floated, yet my hair is dry and brittle? Ehh...
Originally Posted by itskyrsten
If your hair floated (like mine) and it is low porous, then it can become dry and brittle with too much protein. You probably need more moisture.
Try a Moisturizing treatment and see if that makes your hair better.

This site may help as well to determine what your hair needs and when:
http://pittsburghcurly.wordpress.com...otein-balance/

HTH!

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Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
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Possible suggestions:

Maybe you just need to try different products. I looked up the EO stuff, and they all look really high on glycerin. That can dry hair out under certain circumstances.

Maybe you should try using a leave in conditioner with the cream on the first day, for more moisture. If that doesn't weigh your hair down, maybe it would help with moisture retention.

I might also recommend using less products on the second day. Like someone else said, the water will probably reactivate your products from the day before. Do you need to detangle on the second day? I never detangle unless my hair is fully wet, because it makes me lose wave and it makes my hair frizzy. Maybe you could try spritzing and just scrunching your hair a little, or smoothing the frizzy bits down. See how that does. Then maybe add in the leave in conditioner and see how that affects things, because it would help with moisture. Are you putting your leave in conditioner on after the serum and gel on the second day? Because I think I would put it on right after spritzing. That way, it will have an easier time getting into the hair. Because I feel like serum would probably be moisture-repelling to stop humidity from affecting the hair.

Also, is there anyway you could mix conditioner with water in a spray bottle, and use that as a detangler instead? Because a lot of times detanglers aren't very moisturizing. If that product isn't really doing anything for your hair except making it momentarily slippery, I would try just detangling with conditioner instead.
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
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Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse

Last edited by rainboe; 05-07-2012 at 06:53 PM.
Agree on checking for silicones - you can spot them by their suffixes that end in -cone, -xane, or -conol.
I think you should also find your hair properties, especially texture and porosity.

texture:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Texture
porosity:
Live Curly, Live Free: Hair Porosity

If your hair is coarse, you might be ODing, on protein (which is keratin, among others) which can leave hair dry, hay-like, and tangly.

Just some ideas, but it is truly important to find the properties of your hair.
Originally Posted by Lucky Charm

Thank you. But I'm a little confused. It says that high porosity is where the hair is dry and brittle, but then there was a test and said if the hair floated it was non-porous. My hair floated, yet my hair is dry and brittle? Ehh...
Originally Posted by itskyrsten
The float test isn't 100% reliable.


Lady Caiside, Noble Lushetarian and Wavy Wayfarer of Mugglswick, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

2b-3a Fii, porous and low elasticity

Currently using a variety of products, and looking for that magic combo

Hair bio: http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...5&postcount=59

Possible suggestions:

Maybe you just need to try different products. I looked up the EO stuff, and they all look really high on glycerin. That can dry hair out under certain circumstances.

Maybe you should try using a leave in conditioner with the cream on the first day, for more moisture. If that doesn't weigh your hair down, maybe it would help with moisture retention.

I might also recommend using less products on the second day. Like someone else said, the water will probably reactivate your products from the day before. Do you need to detangle on the second day? I never detangle unless my hair is fully wet, because it makes me lose wave and it makes my hair frizzy. Maybe you could try spritzing and just scrunching your hair a little, or smoothing the frizzy bits down. See how that does. Then maybe add in the leave in conditioner and see how that affects things, because it would help with moisture. Are you putting your leave in conditioner on after the serum and gel on the second day? Because I think I would put it on right after spritzing. That way, it will have an easier time getting into the hair. Because I feel like serum would probably be moisture-repelling to stop humidity from affecting the hair.

Also, is there anyway you could mix conditioner with water in a spray bottle, and use that as a detangler instead? Because a lot of times detanglers aren't very moisturizing. If that product isn't really doing anything for your hair except making it momentarily slippery, I would try just detangling with conditioner instead.
Originally Posted by rainboe

Today I tried just spritzing then adding the leave in and it was okay at first, but then frizzed like crazy and got a little dry. I have been searching for products like crazy and I can't seem to find any. Any suggestions? I have type 2c hair. It's oily at the top and dry at the ends. Styling products, leave-ins, shampoos and conditioners. I can't seem to find one. And preferably sulfate free. and a little on the cheap side. lol.

Last edited by itskyrsten; 05-07-2012 at 09:43 PM.
I have no idea what I"m doing wrong with trying to get 2nd day hair. It's like I lose more hair on the second day and it just stays dry and brittle all day.

Day 1:
-- Shampoo and Condition with a Keratin sulfate free shampoo and cond.
--Detangler
--Nourishing creme (for conditioning)
--Gel

Day 2:
-- Spritz with water
-- Detangler
-- Gel
--Conditioning Serum (split ends, conditions, gets rid of frizz)
-- Leave in Conditioner


All the products are from EO and are completely sulfate, paraben, etc. free. Am I doing something wrong? I would think on the 2nd day my hair would still be moisturized.
Originally Posted by itskyrsten
I think that's just waaaay too much product. At night, I pineapple to keep myself from sleeping on my hair, and that helps with frizz. Then I spray my hair with a refreshing mist and scrunch
2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
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CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BRÖÖ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
I have no idea what I"m doing wrong with trying to get 2nd day hair. It's like I lose more hair on the second day and it just stays dry and brittle all day.

Day 1:
-- Shampoo and Condition with a Keratin sulfate free shampoo and cond.
--Detangler
--Nourishing creme (for conditioning)
--Gel

Day 2:
-- Spritz with water
-- Detangler
-- Gel
--Conditioning Serum (split ends, conditions, gets rid of frizz)
-- Leave in Conditioner


All the products are from EO and are completely sulfate, paraben, etc. free. Am I doing something wrong? I would think on the 2nd day my hair would still be moisturized.
Originally Posted by itskyrsten
I think that's just waaaay too much product. At night, I pineapple to keep myself from sleeping on my hair, and that helps with frizz. Then I spray my hair with a refreshing mist and scrunch
Originally Posted by dresdendoll
Okay, I'm going to try a leave-in conditioner only and see how that works on the second day. All the products seem to work fine on my hair when it's freshly washed. Maybe I should just wash my hair every day. Trial and error is a pain.
I think they mean "way too much product for Day 2". Use your normal Day 1 product, but Day 2, just try respritzing with water to reactivate the product you already have in there

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Monthly: Henna
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