2b/c with underlayer completely straight?!

Hello!

My hair is a mixture between 2b and 2c in that its wavy like a 2b but bounces up with volume like a 2c. I have one problem, however, i wear it completely naked most of the time (NO products), and ALL the hair underneath is stick straight. Since my hair bounces up in layers, the long straight hair below is painstakingly obvious UGH!

I'm growing my layers out currently. What i want is long 2b hair that does not bounce up, and for the underneath just to wave slightly at least. If this means using product that is OK with me. This may sound impossible but i'm willing to try anything. Thoughts?
My underlayer is completely straight. It won't even bend with a curling iron.

One thing you can do is have your stylist cut the underlayer shorter so that it isn't longer than the rest of your hair that bounces up.

There's a chance that gel or mouse or another product with hold may help your underlayer wave, so you could always give that a shot.

Best of luck. Having two hair types is a pain!
Wave Pattern: 2A
Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
I also have a pretty straight underlayer...the longer my hair is, the straighter that underlayer gets. I have a cut coming up & plan to ask either for some stronger internal layering to support the wave/curl &/or that the underlayer be cut just a bit shorter. Between that layer flattening out, it being the coarsest section of my hair, & the fact that it grows faster than the rest...oh yes, and the part where cuts are so stressful that I only go to the salon about every 6-12 mos...I go in with a quasi-mullet. Awesome
The underlayer of my hair was also slightly wavy compared to my canopy of 3a curls. Since doing the CG method it definitely seems to be curlier, (either that or it's an amazing coincidence, lol!)
UK Curly
Curl type : Boticelli, 3a, loose curls
Porosity : High
Texture : Fine/medium (I think!)
Co-wash/rinse out/leave in : L'oreal Full Restore 5, GFR&S, Schwarzkopf Bio Pomegranite
Gels : Umberto Giannini Flirty Curls Scrunching Jelly
Finish product : Boots Naked Style Frizz Fighter Serum or a pea-sized blob of condish smoothed over canopy
CG since Feb 2011
My underlayer isn't completely straight, but it'd barely classify as 2a on most days, and it is extremely resilient to heat styling(particularly curling irons). It's summer and I've been trying to get away from using so many products(it's just kind of a pain), usually just leave in or curl milk after I shower, occasionally some coconut oil. I imagine if you're underlayer really is just naturally straight, then you'll have about as much luck as someone with straight hair using products to get curl, though if you haven't you may want to give CG a go.

A few things you could try would be braiding/plaiting the underlayer while it's still damp. I would only recommend 1 -2 braids, so that the waves don't come out tight and unnatural looking, and despite what some people say, they need to be even sections and neatly braided(not really perfect, but you're using the braids to shape waves and you wouldn't want crooked uneven waves), and the less you leave as the "tail" of the braid the less straightness you'll have at the end. A slightly easier way is to find flexirods that are about the same size as your natural wave/curl pattern, and use them on your underlayer while damp, and take them out when it's dry. If those don't work out you can always get the bottom layer trimmed shorter as mentioned above. Hope you figure something out.
I feel your pain, I'm new to this site today and was actually looking for an answer to this. I'm glad i'm not the only one. I've got 2c hair that's shoulder length with tons of volume. I just had my hair trimmed over the weekend and I had the lady even out my bottom layers a bit. today I got out of the shower scrunched my hair with some mousse and the the bottom strait layer now pokes out just a little and looks fine. However, I haven't been outside yet and have no idea what the humidity here is gonna do.
I had this same exact problem when I started CG. I think I made a post about it too

I've been mod-CG since Feb and full-CG since April, and my underlayer is no longer straight. It actually makes ringlets and sausage curls. I thought it had no hope, but it really just needed more care (mainly more conditioner and tender treatment!).

Keep going and maybe you'll see the same improvement! I did get the bottom scraggly layer cut to be even across the back, and that helps too.

CG 4/13/2012
med-coarse texture/med density/low porosity
(2c/3a)
Clarifying: TJ TTT shampoo
Cowash: VO5 clarifying kiwi lime, Suave daily clarifying
RO: SN or Tresemme naturals, TJ TTT
LI: SN or VO5
Styling: Gels - HESMU, AAV; John Frieda & HETT mousse; TIGI Curl Booster, FX Curl Booster * Fan of plopping & diffusing
One more thing I do with my underlayer - my hair in general doesn't like protein, but I've found if I use a protein-containing conditioner as a LI on the underlayer, the ringlets form up better. So I use non-protein LI on the rest of the hair, and the protein containing LI on just that underlayer. So sometimes by trial and error you'll find a different product works under there.

CG 4/13/2012
med-coarse texture/med density/low porosity
(2c/3a)
Clarifying: TJ TTT shampoo
Cowash: VO5 clarifying kiwi lime, Suave daily clarifying
RO: SN or Tresemme naturals, TJ TTT
LI: SN or VO5
Styling: Gels - HESMU, AAV; John Frieda & HETT mousse; TIGI Curl Booster, FX Curl Booster * Fan of plopping & diffusing
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this issue.

I've been doing co for several months and the underlayer is still straight, while the canopy can be 2c to 3b depending on weather. Since I cut my own hair, I make sure the straight layer is just short enough to hide under the last curly layer (if that makes sense). Sometimes I can get the straight layer to wave up a bit with product, but it doesn't last.

The best thing I've been able to do is to accept that my hair has several different types and (as long as I can keep the frizz to a minimum) just enjoy the quirkiness of seeing long straight strands intertwined with waves and springy curls.
I went and had a consult with a Devacurl trained stylest and it was she who acctually commented that my under layer and front (bangs area) was strighter.... She said for me to continue with the curly girl routine and to keep my hands off it... She said that it's most likely to do with how I over touch and pull on my hair....

The bangs because i'm always pressing them flat down and the back because I'm always smoothing it up when I pony / bun...

"Dont touch" lol
Don't touch is my biggest problem. lol. Day 3 cg. I currently have blunt bangs, but i've always had bangs because my front section is strait like my underneath. Unfortunately I have trichotillomania Currently doing really well with that, but i'm afraid a lifetime of overly playing with my hair may have done a lot of damage.

started CG on 6/25/12.
  • 2c with a strait underneath
  • normal elasticity on top, none on the underneath
  • Fine side of Normal
  • Thick hair
  • Poriosity is a mystery. I think its all over the place.
My daughter's hair is the opposite? The very bottom is loose curls, then there's a lot of waves/curls... and then the very top is straight. Stick straight. LOL! I mean... she's 5, so I can keep it pulled back and stick a bow on it and call it a day but it's still kinda annoying. LOL
I always thought my underlayer was kinda straight until I tried a bit of mineral oil on them (after dampen it) and found that my hair actually can be more curly.
So I took the advice on this board and skipped the plopping part of my routine, and.. got some nice waves/curls! Who would have thought?!
Glad to be still learning new things about my hair, after going wavy for over a year now.

2B med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
I always thought my underlayer was kinda straight until I tried a bit of mineral oil on them (after dampen it) and found that my hair actually can be more curly.
So I took the advice on this board and skipped the plopping part of my routine, and.. got some nice waves/curls! Who would have thought?!
Glad to be still learning new things about my hair, after going wavy for over a year now.

2B med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity
Originally Posted by rapunzel4ever
I'm another with a somewhat straight underlayer. Tell me more about how you did mineral oil?? And, how do you get dressed if you skip plopping?? I'm too scared to pull a shirt over wet curls, lol. However, if it really could help, I could try to learn...

I am thinking about doing the pt to see how I react to that.
I've always wondered the same thing. How do you get a shirt over your head without plopping? My waves get really frizzy/flattened when I try.
Wave Pattern: 2A
Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
When I've been in the shower I just plop while getting dressed with only a LI or curl activator in my hair, so before my actual styling product, like gel. Then I get my hair down and scrunch gel in while getting the water out.

When I want to change my outfit while my hair is styled already I put a silk/satin scarf over my head and hair. That also prevents getting makeup al over my clothes.
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2B med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
Oh and about the mineral oil: I take a drop (not more) and rub it between my palms, then smooth against my nape hair and then carefully squish/scrunch the ends and go up the length of my hair.

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2B med/fine- low porosity- normal elasticity, BSL
2B/C-3A) fine - low porosity
Routine:
Wash: Daily Fix,SMT, Kesham, Urtekram
RO: Motions CPR Li, Inecto Cocos co, AO GPB, KCTT
acv-rinse, sometimes honey-rinse
LI: coconut oil (winter), CJBC-LI
Styling: AVG, Etos Solid Power Gel, Taft gel, CJPP
, JCCC, BRHG
Plopping~Pixiecurl diffuse~clipping
KrullenWijzer.blogspot.nl
Ooooh I'm jealous. I'm quite the opposite. My top layer is straighter compared to the hair underneath. I'd rather have my underlayer straight , so someone can see my waves . I guess the grass is greener on the other side.

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