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Snugent 08-30-2012 08:13 PM

2b hair newbie seeking product advice
 
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Hi I'm 18 years old and I just started the CG process. Hair is 2b I'm pretty sure because some strands curl with loose spiral well others are super wavy "S" shaped. Fine hair, some strands are thinner and lighter but then I have courser darker under layer that some would call "nappy" that is very unruly. I can't determine my porosity, if I had to guess it would be "low." the front of my hair is really wavy from pulling back into a ponytail from sports. Has a good amount of frizz. My hair is also EXTREMELY dry naturally ...I always have split ends and my hair is not even remotely soft :(

Started Using Shampoo: L"oreal Ever Creme Intense Nourishing

Conditioner: Trader Joe's Balanced Moisturizing conditioner

Products: switch off between Aveda Damage remedy leave in conditioner or Bed Head "ego boost", or the M.I.T."living proof" med. to thick wave shaping gel. > i also Aveda Dry remedy deep condtition my hair overnight once a week.

But I really want to go sulfate & silicone free, and want to find new holy grail products that match those requirements + add definition & moisturize because I feel like my hair is just not as curly or "wavy" as it was in Middle School.

tambalina 08-30-2012 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Snugent (Post 2024420)
Hi I'm 18 years old and I just started the CG process. Hair is 2b I'm pretty sure because some strands curl with loose spiral well others are super wavy "S" shaped. Fine hair, some strands are thinner and lighter but then I have courser darker under layer that some would call "nappy" that is very unruly. I can't determine my porosity, if I had to guess it would be "low." the front of my hair is really wavy from pulling back into a ponytail from sports. Has a good amount of frizz. My hair is also EXTREMELY dry naturally ...I always have split ends and my hair is not even remotely soft :(

Started Using Shampoo: L"oreal Ever Creme Intense Nourishing

Conditioner: Trader Joe's Balanced Moisturizing conditioner

Products: switch off between Aveda Damage remedy leave in conditioner or Bed Head "ego boost", or the M.I.T."living proof" med. to thick wave shaping gel. > i also Aveda Dry remedy deep condtition my hair overnight once a week.

But I really want to go sulfate & silicone free, and want to find new holy grail products that match those requirements + add definition & moisturize because I feel like my hair is just not as curly or "wavy" as it was in Middle School.

I am new to the CG method, but I cut out silicones in 2006. With my research, I discovered that the products I was using (silicone-laden) was making my hair drier. This happens because silicones, while making your hair slippery and smooth, also seal the cuticle of the hair and, therefore, not allowing moisture where it is needed. This is compounded when you also use sulfates to clean the hair as it is VERY drying.

Personally, I can use sulfates as long as I use a moisturizing conditioner afterwards. (L'Oreal EverCreme Intensive Shampoo has amodithicone.) Once I eliminated silicones, my hair became very soft. Using coconut (sometimes sweet almond) oil every night before I go to bed also helps. I also only wash 2 - 3 times a week.

Once you make these changes, I think you will see a dramatic difference in the texture of your hair!

Snugent 08-30-2012 10:27 PM

Thanks so much! so my shampoo and conditioner I'm currently using are silicone free correct? I thought they were...but do you have any styling products recommendations for definition? I heard jessicurl gelubration is good for 2bs. Also forgot to note I do plop my hair with a tshirt.

txwvy32 08-31-2012 09:14 AM

Just wanted to say that you're my hair twin lol so i'll be watching this thread because i'm wondering the same things as you.

I'm not doing CG yet because i'm still learning about it, but what I do use now has made me pretty happy. I think the key for me was finding a really great conditioner my hair likes (I use Tresemme Naturals Conditioner with aloe vera and avocado), switching to a frizz reducing creme instead of serum and then also using the pixie curl diffusing method I was introduced to. I read about it here. Those paired together have not only made my hair less frizzy, but softer too. As far as styling I really like LA Looks Nutricurl Gel (CG friendly), Sexy Curly Hair spray mousse (not CG friendly) and Pantene Curly spray gel (maybe CG friendly? not quite sure). Good luck!

tambalina 08-31-2012 09:30 AM

Your shampoo isn't cone-free, as I learned that one the hard way myself. The regular moisturizing is fine, but the INTENSE has amodimithicone, unfortunately. :crybaby:

L'Oreal's EverCreme Intensive Nourishing Shampoo (ingredients): Aqua/Water/Eau, Sodium Cocoyl Isethionate, Sodium Lauryl Sulfoacetate, Disodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Glycol Distearate, Glycereth-26, Decyl Glycoside, Amodimethicone, Parfum/Fragrance, Hydrogenated Coconut Acid, PPG-5-Ceteth-20, Glycerin, Polyquaternium-7, PEG-55 Propylene Glycol Ciliate, Propylene Glycol Polyquaternium-10, Sodium Isethionate, Carbomer, Benzoic Acid, Trideceth-6, Tocopherol, Hexyl Cinnamal, Sodium Benzoate, Linalool, Cetrimonium Chloride, Camelina Sativa Oil/Camelina Sativa Seed Oil, Prunus Armeniaca Kernel Oil/Apricot Kernel Oil, Vitis Vinifera Seed Oil/Grape Seed Oil, Coumarin, Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, Sodium Hydroxide, Citric Acid.

Trader Joe’s Balance Moisturizing Nourish Spa Conditioner (ingredients): Purified water, organic rosemary oil, organic valencia orange citrus, organic mango, organic lemongrass, organic ginko biloba, organic echinacea, organic willow bark, organic sea kelp, organic chamomile flower, organic textured soy protein, organic lavender, organic grapefruit citrus, Tocopherol (Vit E), Acetamide MEA, Cetyl Alcohol, Citric Acid, Methylparaben, propylparaben, botanical fragrance

Yay!! There are no silicones!! This one should also work as a CoWash if you were planning on eliminating shampoo. (I bolded the protein in there in case your hair is sensitive to them. My hair needs them to stay strong. I color my hair.) HTH!!

asianrunner 08-31-2012 04:29 PM

If you do a search for drugstore product recommendations with different variations like shampoo/conditioners/gels you should get a lot of hits.

You will probably need a richer conditioner like GVP conditioning balm from Sally's or Yes to Cukes/Carrots.

Have you gotten a haircut or trim recently? It's good to have a fresh slate, especially if you have split ends.

Snugent 08-31-2012 10:05 PM

Thanks so much everyone! Okay So do you think I should make the trader joes conditioner my co-wash and try for elimination of shampoo? Also does protein help for fine/dry hair? Can you by the La looks nurticurl gel at a drugstore? Does anyone have any other defining/moisturizing product reccomendations drugstore or high end? Sorry for all the questions

Snugent 08-31-2012 10:07 PM

also txwvy32 what is the frizz creme you use and is it CG?

asianrunner 09-01-2012 08:36 AM

Protein does help fine hair. But since it is also dry, you should follow it up with a moisturizing deep conditioner. A good drugstore one is GVP conditioning balm (Biolage dupe) and a good high end one is Curl Junkie Curl Rehab.

Here is a link about PTs and DTs:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...wbies-too.html

Yes you can buy LA Nutracurl at drugstores. When you say defining/moisturizing products, do you mean curl enhancers, gels or conditioners?

txwvy32 09-02-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Snugent (Post 2025001)
also txwvy32 what is the frizz creme you use and is it CG?

I use Garnier Pure Clean Smoothing creme and yes, it's CG friendly I believe. I have to wet it a little to get it into my hair, or use it while still in the shower but it works great. It's sort of thick, not a slippery creme at all.

As for the LA looks nutricurl I get it at Walmart, so you should be able to find it at any drugstore.

Snugent 09-03-2012 09:33 AM

Thank you! And asianrunner I'd say I'm looking for all 3 of those things so any of your suggestions would be great/

asianrunner 09-03-2012 09:47 AM

I like Tresemme Naturals as a light, moisturizing conditioner. Yes to Cucumbers is also moisturizing but a little expensive. It makes my scalp itchy but I have a fairly sensitive scalp. You could also try looking into Renpure Organics (keratin or argan oil) or Giovanni 50:50 for conditioners.

When it comes to curl enhancers, I like to recommend KCCC (found at Target) but it's definitely on the more expensive side. Some people like Shea Moisture products but I don't find them really curl enhancing. If you have a Sally's you could also check out As I Am Curling Jelly. It's more expensive but many wavies really like the curl enhancement they get from it!

For gels, I like Aussie Instant Freeze and BRHG, both found at Target/Wal-Mart. Other people like Ecostyler Krystal but that stuff really dries out my hair due to the high glycerin content. You can pick up a small tub for super cheap though. GF Pure Clean gel is ok, it is sort of a hit or miss product for me though.

Snugent 09-06-2012 08:20 PM

Thanks for the advice. So as of this week i ditched the loreal shampoo that has silicones and now i am cowashing with Trader Joes Balancing moisturizing conditioner and then conditioning with GVP Conditioning balm. and then using a bit of the Conditioning balm as a leave in, haven't tested any styling products yet bc its been the school week so I don't care too much. the first couple of days my hair felt fine but today it never seemed to dry and seems slightly greasy which never happens to my dry hair near the roots. Is this from the conditioner product buildup? Should I get a nonpoo shampoo to use a few times a week? And if so any recommendations? I also put a little Hollywood beauty vitamin E oil in my hair over night so maybe that affected it also.

asianrunner 09-06-2012 08:26 PM

If your shampoo or conditioners had silicones, you need to do a final sulfate (but silicone free) wash with a shampoo. Suave Naturals shampoo or Johnson's baby shampoos should do the trick.

If you want to spend a little more money, Redken Fresh Curls is a really gentle sulfate shampoo. It was way less stripping than other sulfate (and some low poos) shampoos.

It's normal for a greasier than usual scalp in the beginning. You were essentially stripping your natural oils with sulfate shampoos and now your scalp is trying to overcompensate. Shea Moisture, Renpure Organics (careful, read the labels) and Giovanni (TTTT or 50:50) are all popular low poos.

Snugent 09-07-2012 11:46 AM

Thanks where can i buy Giovanni or Shea moisture? would you suggest I switch off between cowashing with the trader joes stuff & then one of the low poos you recommended? Also typically how long does the transitioning period last? I'm supposed to get my senior pictures taken next weekend.

elizard 09-07-2012 11:57 AM

yes, if you're a 2b, it's likely that you can't just co-wash. you can test it out, but you will probably need to low poo like once a week at least. i heard that shea moisture is on a buy one get one sale at cvs, so i was thinking about picking up their low poo to try.

Snugent 09-08-2012 10:24 AM

Thanks wow so only shampoo once a week? Also has anyone ever tried an apple cider vinegar rinse as a cleanser? Is there a specific shea moisture shampoo that has had good reviews?

Corrina777 09-08-2012 11:09 AM

Cleansing schedule will probably require some trial and error. Properties matter more than curl pattern. I do know wavies who co-wash exclusively. I also know wavies who cannot co-wash at all. If your hair is very dry you might find that you can co-wash much more without a low-poo in between, but as your hair gets healthier that could change. I personally would suggest starting with a really light conditioner for co-washing. My personal favorite is VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea. Whether you co-wash or low-poo, focus on your scalp and make sure to massage your scalp really well (I spend a good 2 or 3 minutes doing this). Continue massaging as you rinse for best results.
I pretty much decide each day what type of cleanser I'm using based on how my hair feels in the morning (and what products I used the day before- I'm modified CG so I still use cones on occasion).

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Snugent 09-08-2012 12:29 PM

Im starting to think my hair might even be 2a in some regions.It's just upsetting how much less curl definition my hair has lost from age 15 to 18. I forgot to mention on june 30th my mom made me get a mini keratin treatment which i absolutely hated, yes it took away my frizz but it made hair lose so much curl definition but I didn't use the shampoo & conditioner you are supposed to use with it so I'm pretty positive its gone away by now. Today I bought the shea moisture moisture retention shampoo. Is this a good fir for wavy hair, it didn't seem to have too many cleansing properties I'm hoping this won't weigh my hair down or make it feel greasy at the roots. I almost bought the loreal normal moisturizing (not the intense which I now learned has cones) shampoo, but the shea had less ingredients so I figured it was healthier.

Corrina777 09-08-2012 02:15 PM

A lot of wavies really like Shea Moisture shampoos. They are extremely mild. I'm a complete and total product junkie and I can say without question that this is the gentlest low-poo I've ever tried (and trust me, I've tried a whole lot of them). One thing to note is that these shampoos do not contain coco betaine or sodium c14-c16 olefin sulfonate (these are two common ingredients in sulfate-free shampoos), so they will not remove or prevent silicone buildup. So you will definitely need to be careful to avoid non-water-soluble silicones in your other products. Be patient, ask lots of questions if you have them, and you will start to see results. I understand how frustrating the process can be, but the end results are worth it.

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