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How much product do you use in your routines? I have found products that work for me but I wonder if i'm using too much/not enough. I've been using Giovanni Smooth as Silk Deeper Conditioner and I love it, it feels like it really moisturizes my hair and after my hair is dry it's still soft and feels hydrated.....but now i'm running into the problem that it's fluffy and there's not enough definition, like it's not clumping together right. So maybe I used too much, but if I don't use the amount I use I run into my hair being dry even soaking wet if that makes sense lol. For my cowash I use a cupped palmfull, my conditioner I use about triple that and my non-spray gel I use about a tablespoon worth, not much at all. I find my hair is too crunchy if I use more.

I've only used the bottle twice and it's like half gone already so I must be using too much right? I have TONS of hair though too. My biggest problem is that on initial application to the middle and ends of my hair in the shower it doesn't get into my hair right and I have a lot of fallout with my hair so i'm trying to get product in and at the same time i'm pulling all this hair out and letting it go to the drain catcher (ugh, so gross, i'm so sorry tmi). I know you're supposed to put conditioner in your hair before combing but it's hard to get it in my hair without combing first. Does anyone comb first and then condition? As much as I love this conditioner, maybe it's still not moisturizing enough for me since i'm having to use so much? I'm open to recommendations! ^_^

My routine is as follows:

Co-wash: Tresemme Naturals
Rinse out: Giovanni SAS Deeper Conditioner
Leave In: KCKT
Stylers: LA Looks Nutricurl Gel, Pantene Curly Spray Gel

Would appreciate recommendations on deep conditioners, low-poos and gel/mousse stylers.

2b, low porosity, medium strands, medium coarseness I guess, good elasticity, very dense hair
I would definitely not comb your hair without conditioner - that can cause even more breakage. Do you let your conditioner sit on your hair for a few minutes before you try detangling? I like to smooth the conditioner onto my hair, then let it sit for a good 5-10 minutes while I do my other shower stuff, then I detangle and rinse. I find this allows the conditioner to penetrate my hair better and work on those tangles. You could try that to see if it allows you to use less product; if not, you might actually need something more moisturizing, or maybe something with better slip. I noticed in your signature that you use KCKT as your LI, I found this was not moisturizing enough, so I use a more moisturizing LI. If you really like the Giovanni conditioner, you could try using some of that as a LI and see how that works. Some people also find certain gels to be drying, so it may be the gel you are using. You could try mixing your gel with some LI, and see if that takes care of the crunchy feeling.

HTH
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

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Hi txwvy32,

My hair properties are very similar to yours. I tend towards low porosity as well. One thing about low porosity is that its harder to get moisture into the hair. I personally don't have trouble with detangling. My hair doesn't really tangle (knock on wood). However, that amount of conditioner sounds excessive unless you have like waist length hair.

When I co-wash, I use SN Coconut, and I just apply it to my fingertips a few times and massage my scalp with it. Then I like to use Yes to Carrots for my rinse out/leave in. I don't personally use much leave-in, but if you use more it helps with the crunchy feeling of your gel.

A tablespoon doesn't sound like much gel if that's the only product you use. I have been known to use too much product in the past, but I've been trying to limit myself. Anyways, have you tried using a more moisturizing styler such as a curl cream?
2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF

Last edited by elizard; 09-11-2012 at 10:36 PM. Reason: edit spelling
Thank you ladies! I haven't tried just smoothing the conditioner on my hair first and then letting it soak in, I will try that out and see how that goes for me. I have tried to use my LI with my gel but maybe I don't use enough gel because I get limp fluffy hair. I'm interested in a creme styler. I used to use one called Sexy Curly Hair but since i've gone CG i'm trying to stay away from it since it has silicones. Any recommendations for a good one I can start with that is silicone free (and preferably protein free)?
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Last edited by txwvy32; 09-11-2012 at 09:58 PM.
Not sure what your price range is or if you mind ordering online. A lot of people love Curl Junkie Coffee Cocoa Curl Cream (there is also a lite version). There are also those that love the Biotera curl cream, especially with the Biotera gel (you can get those at Sally's). There is also SM curl enhancing smoothie (available at Target, several drugstores, etc,). I know the SM has silk protein; not sure about the others.
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011
I also have low porosity hair that is mostly coarse, with some medium strands also. I use 2-3 palmfuls to co wash, and then another 2-3 for my RO. My hair is right below BSL when pulled straight, so about the middle of my back. Like jsuzkelley said, I let my RO sit on my hair for at least 5 minutes before I use my wide tooth comb. A nice thick conditioner that makes my hair easy to comb out is tresemme naturals (and it's cheap).

I have found that if I condition my hair correctly, and apply the gel to soaking wet hair, it will not usually get crunchy, even if I use a lot of gel (I normally use about 4-5 quarter size dollops). If you haven't tried it - try the super soaker method. It's a great way to make sure you don't have too much crunch. If I do have to scrunch out the crunch, I use a couple pumps of Loreal supersleek intense serum to coat my hands so I don't get frizz.

CG 4/13/2012
med-coarse texture/med density/low porosity
(2c/3a)
Clarifying: TJ TTT shampoo
Cowash: VO5 clarifying kiwi lime, Suave daily clarifying
RO: SN or Tresemme naturals, TJ TTT
LI: SN or VO5
Styling: Gels - HESMU, AAV; John Frieda & HETT mousse; TIGI Curl Booster, FX Curl Booster * Fan of plopping & diffusing
You could try "pre-pooing" with an oil. A few examples are coconut oil, grape seed oil, apricot kernal oil, etc. I think the basic premise is to smooth some oil over your hair before your shower. I think pedaheh would put some on the night before to really let it soak in. Then you could low poo or cowash it out.

I have a lot of hair as well (BSL and the circumference is 4.5in) and I definitely don't use that much conditioner! Giovanni can be a little on the expensive side if you have to use that much conditioner so maybe try another kind, like the GVP conditioning balm.

Here is a link about dealing with dry hair:
Pedaheh's Hair Blog: What to Do if You Have Dry Hair.

My absolute favorite DT is CJ Curl Rehab. Only available online (very few stores carry it) and expensive, but my hair loves it. I also use it as an occasional rinse out conditioner. Check out my sig for styler suggestions! I definitely prefer jelly stylers vs cream stylers.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: CJ Beauticurls, CJ A&OO, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: Mop C, KCCC, SCE FSG
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

I have seen people posting that they used a lot of conditioner at first then as their hair improved were able to use less. I suggest adding regular deep conditioning treatments to your regimen.
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Type:2b/3ab?
Texture:Medium/fine
Porosity:Normal
Elasticity:Normal

Experimenting with too many products to name here. All this great info keeps my head spinning.
Another low porosity curly here. My hair only tangles if I use an ingredient it doesn't like or I missed a haircut. I thought that''s pretty typical for low porosity because the cuticle is so tight.

I, too, didn't find the KCKT moisturizing enough for my hair.

It does sound like you're using excessive amounts of product, but none of those are things that I use or have used, so I don't know. A good place to start is to look for people with hair like yours (in signature) and see what they use. It's the best place to start.
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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
You could try "pre-pooing" with an oil. A few examples are coconut oil, grape seed oil, apricot kernal oil, etc. I think the basic premise is to smooth some oil over your hair before your shower. I think pedaheh would put some on the night before to really let it soak in. Then you could low poo or cowash it out.

I have a lot of hair as well (BSL and the circumference is 4.5in) and I definitely don't use that much conditioner! Giovanni can be a little on the expensive side if you have to use that much conditioner so maybe try another kind, like the GVP conditioning balm.

Here is a link about dealing with dry hair:
Pedaheh's Hair Blog: What to Do if You Have Dry Hair.

My absolute favorite DT is CJ Curl Rehab. Only available online (very few stores carry it) and expensive, but my hair loves it. I also use it as an occasional rinse out conditioner. Check out my sig for styler suggestions! I definitely prefer jelly stylers vs cream stylers.
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Thank you for that link and also the suggestions! Noob question, what is BSL? I've seen that in several posts but don't know what it is. Also, another noob question, what is the difference between a Jelly and a Gel?
Not sure what your price range is or if you mind ordering online. A lot of people love Curl Junkie Coffee Cocoa Curl Cream (there is also a lite version). There are also those that love the Biotera curl cream, especially with the Biotera gel (you can get those at Sally's). There is also SM curl enhancing smoothie (available at Target, several drugstores, etc,). I know the SM has silk protein; not sure about the others.
Originally Posted by jsuzkelley
I'll try those out thank you! I'm not sure about the SM smoothie though, but I have heard great things about it. I'm afraid of SM products right now because I tried their deep treatment and it dried my hair out really bad, not sure why.
Last night I did a lot of reading on here and this morning I tried a couple of new suggestions I learned. I tried smoothing the conditoner on my hair and letting it set in for a few minutes before I combed it and that worked great actually. I used half the amount of conditioner I had been using, maybe even less than half and I was really happy because for the first time EVER I didn't have a ton of fallout. Maybe trying so hard to get the conditoner in my hair and have it silky and smooth before combing was causing me to pull my hair out so I was losing a ton. I also tried the "ice queen" method of rinsing and I used my same conditioner as a LI. I also used more gel and applied it to my hair soaking wet. Ladies, I can't thank you enough, my hair today is awesome! Except for a little frizz from crunching out some curls after it dried, my curl definition is back and stronger than it has ever been. Such a difference than the past couple of days.
Last night I did a lot of reading on here and this morning I tried a couple of new suggestions I learned. I tried smoothing the conditoner on my hair and letting it set in for a few minutes before I combed it and that worked great actually. I used half the amount of conditioner I had been using, maybe even less than half and I was really happy because for the first time EVER I didn't have a ton of fallout. Maybe trying so hard to get the conditoner in my hair and have it silky and smooth before combing was causing me to pull my hair out so I was losing a ton. I also tried the "ice queen" method of rinsing and I used my same conditioner as a LI. I also used more gel and applied it to my hair soaking wet. Ladies, I can't thank you enough, my hair today is awesome! Except for a little frizz from crunching out some curls after it dried, my curl definition is back and stronger than it has ever been. Such a difference than the past couple of days.
Originally Posted by txwvy32

That's great! Glad those suggestions worked - sometimes just tweaking the smallest things in our technique make such a difference.
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2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011

Thank you for that link and also the suggestions! Noob question, what is BSL? I've seen that in several posts but don't know what it is. Also, another noob question, what is the difference between a Jelly and a Gel?
Originally Posted by txwvy32
BSL=Below Shoulder Length There's an acronyms sticky at the top of the general thread.

For me, they are both products with gelatinous consistency. Gels have chemicals and jellies do not.
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CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
whoops, I've been saying BSL and thought it meant bra strap length, haha.

I see a jelly product as curl enhancing and gel as a product for hold.
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Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: CJ Beauticurls, CJ A&OO, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: Mop C, KCCC, SCE FSG
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

whoops, I've been saying BSL and thought it meant bra strap length, haha.

I see a jelly product as curl enhancing and gel as a product for hold.
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Actually, I think you're right about bra strap length.

The manufacturers call different products gel, jelly, gelly, etc., that's why I always say that it's gelatinous (which they all are) but the gels have the chemicals (mostly for hold.) Some of the gels are curl enhancing and some of the jelly/gelly products have hold.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
KM probably has the best, broad definition for jellies vs gel. It's very true that companies use different terms for similar items. If you have a question on a specific product, I'd make sure to search for it to look at reviews.
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Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: CJ Beauticurls, CJ A&OO, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: Mop C, KCCC, SCE FSG
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

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