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Old 11-03-2012, 12:31 AM   #1
 
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Default CG for over a year and NOTHING is working for my frizz!

I'm getting extremely frustrated and discouraged with my hair...I don't know what to do anymore! I can't wear my hair down because it's so frizzy and I've gotten to the point where I'm just ready to start blow-drying it and straightening it again, which I really don't want to do.

I'm definitely a 2A (with a little bit of 2B in the back). My hair likes protein, so I alternate between DC One and AO GPB. After I shower, I use KKKT leave-in, AG Re:Coil and top it off with Curls CCP. Then, use a micro-fiber towel and let air dry. If I leave my hair down to air-dry 100%, it's a big frizzy mess and looks terrible. So, after it's about 50% dry, I put it up in a bun. If I'm at home, I can take my hair down (after it has dried to about 75%) and wear it down for a few hours. If I'm outside where there's wind and humidity, I take it down and 15 minutes later, it's like a rat's nest, so I put my hair back up. It doesn't matter what the weather is, if I'm outside, it turns into a mess. My hair looks SO good when I first take my hair down from the bun but I can NEVER get it to stay that way.

I've tried both DC AnGel and Biosilk Rock Hard Gelee gels in my hair. They both make it look worse. Maybe my hair doesn't like gel...? I've tried SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie. I've tried PTs and DTs. I've tried protein-free methods and protein-craving methods. I've tried plopping. I've tried using different amounts of each product in my hair. I've tried adding products to my hair after it's dry. I had a company test my hair strands and I've tried most of the products they recommended to no avail. I get regular hair cuts, so I don't have many split ends. I really am at a loss here.

So far, Re:Coil has been the only product that seems to tame my hair even the slightest. Can anyone offer me any advice? Am I doing something wrong? I'd just like to be able to wear my hair down without feeling a rat nest.

Thank you.

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Old 11-03-2012, 01:11 AM   #2
 
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Wow, this sounds frustrating! Sounds like you've definitely tried lots of stuff. My first thought was to question whether your hair really likes protein, but you've already tried routine with and without it...

Have you considered trying flaxseed gel? I'm wondering if that might be a good option since I hear you can't really overdo the stuff! It's supposed to be great at taming frizz and nourishing the hair and you can get protein or other stuff added to it to customize the formula to your needs.

I'm also curious as to what your hair looks like. We all have different expectations for our hair. I like definition and volume, others like clumped curls and a more contained look. Maybe post a picture of your hair and an aspirational picture of what look you're trying to achieve?
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Old 11-03-2012, 08:31 AM   #3
 
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A few thoughts:

I didn't see you list any shampoo/low-poo. Does this mean you have been strictly co-washing? If you haven't already, you might want to clarify in case some of the frizz you're seeing is related to product. A lot of wavies have trouble with conditioner-only cleansing and need to use a low-poo or a gentle sulfate shampoo once in a while.

Have you tried a more moisturizing LO? KCKT is awesome for detangling, but not very moisturizing. One of the main curl enhancing ingredients in Re:Coil is magnesium sulfate (epsom salt), which some people find drying. I love Re:Coil, but I always pair it with a richer LI.

In terms of minimizing frizz, I've always done better with gel than without, but I know from experience that finding the right one can be frustrating. Have you considered Biotera Gel (at Sally's)? It has a thinner consistency than BRHG but better hold than AnGell. It also seems to play well with every product I've paired it with.


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Old 11-03-2012, 11:09 AM   #4
 
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I tried an AG leave-in that seemed to work a little better than KCKT, but it was about twice the price. I guess I'll just have to deal with paying more.

I know curly hair is always going to have a bit of frizz, I'm okay with that. My frizz gets so bad I lose the definition of my curls and it almost looks like I have straight hair frizz.

I do use a low-poo (DC) on occasion and I also clarify about once every month and a half.

I think my hair just needs some extra hold...but nothing I've tried works. I think the BioTera gel might be the answer. Both issues stated about Angel and BRHG are the same complaints I've had with them.

Thank you guys so much...I'm going to try all of your suggestions.
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #5
 
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Random thoughts here:

My hair does not like deva products and I think it's the chlorides - I have the exact same issue with suave and that is the only common ingredient that I could see. Point being, it could be something you aren't even realizing could be a problem (chlorides? Really? Lol).

My first thought, like another poster, was protein until I read you tried protein free. When you went protein-free, are you positive you had no amino acids, hydrolyzed anything, etc? Also, did you eliminate avg and coconut oil? Those can result in protein-like issues for some people and should be eliminated as well.

Are you low-po? If so, do you utilize any techniques to open cuticles prior to conditioning?

Last, humidity/dew points and humectants can cause issues. Have you looked into that aspect at all?

Again, just random thoughts on things you may or may not have tried or things often missed. Sorry you are frustrated - it took me 15 months before I finally had more good days than bad and that was after finding my hair properties which you have done - I know I would be very frustrated if I still wasn't seeing any improvement. good luck.

ETA: I also had to resign myself to pricier products - the cheap options simply don't work for my hair. And even with pricey ones, it's picky!! Maybe yours is, too. *sigh*
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Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
LI: KCKT or CJSL
Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.

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Old 11-03-2012, 11:42 AM   #6
 
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sorry to hear your frustration!

I have a few thoughts as well.

1. Many people don't like Deva products for one reason or another. Plus, your hair just may not like certain proteins. For example, my hair really likes keratin but hates oat protein.

2. How are you applying your styling products? I scrunch in my products to soaking wet hair. I see you are manipulating your hair quite a bit after the shower (leave-in, styler, gel, bun) which could contribute to frizz. Also, are you scrunching, raking, etc?

3. Do you detangle in the shower?
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Old 11-03-2012, 11:53 PM   #7
 
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Hmm, I'm just going to throw some things out.

First off, don't be afraid to use drug store and grocery store products. Like, the products you've tried seem really expensive, and sometimes the cheaper stuff works just as well or even better. Also, when you use cheaper products it isn't as much of a loss when they don't work.

I think a hard hold gel might really work, because they do really hold the hair in place. I don't think BRHG and AnGel are very good representations of hard holding gels. AnGel gives a lot of people hair issues, and most people find that they have to mix BRHG with another gel or cream to make it work well. I know a lot of people are successful with LA Looks Sports Gel (This has been my go-to since I started styling my hair four years ago, 2 dollars at Walmart, Target, and drug stores), Ecostyler, or one of the Herbal Essence gels (some of them might not be CG anymore, so check the back).

DC One and AO GPB are both pretty heavy and I know at least AO GPB is pretty protein heavy. Maybe you could try mixing in another conditioner to the rotation. Also, KKKT isn't very moisturizing. I find Tressume Naturals, Yes to Carrots, GVP Conditioning Balm (At Sally's), and AOHR are all much more moisturizing. They work better as leave-ins for me. Have you tried DC One as a leave-in?

Microfiber towels give me a ton of frizz and take out too much water. It breaks up my hair, making it frizzy and stringy. How are you using the towel? Too much manipulation can frizz hair out. Have you tried plopping or blotting with a cotton t-shirt? Also, are you plopping or wrapping it around your hair? Plopping encourages curl and clumping. How long do you have your hair up?

Do you rake in your products or scrunch?

It might be worth it to just use a single product, like a conditioner, and see how you hair does. Like, pick a conditioner, use it as a rinse-out and leave in. Let it dry naturally. Then, next shower, use a conditioner and add in a styler. And so one. Or in reverse, try changing a single product and see what happens.

If it's frizzy when it's dry, you can try wetting it a little or smoothing some conditioner on it. You probably shouldn't finger comb it or brush it, as you probably know.

ETA: If you've had the hair analysis, can you tell us your hair properties? Like fine/medium/course and porosity. That would be helpful in recommending things.
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Old 11-04-2012, 06:18 AM   #8
 
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+ 1 on hair properties.

Many of us started out with Deva, thought we like it and then moved on to other things as we learned more. My salon has Deva products, I used to let them use the NoPoo, but after they changed the ingredients a few years ago--it made it really dry. I had to lowpoo to get it back to normal. I later discovered that my hair doesn't care for polyquats--the NoPoo and One C have polyquat 7. I was told that polyquats don't build up but I had to use a stronger surfactant to "remove" them and get my hair back. Otherwise, products just "sat" on my hair and didn't get absorbed.

My hair seems to prefer the products from the online "boutique" type companies. I'd suggest that you clarify and then try to use products without a lot of chemicals.
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:01 AM   #9
 
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Do you blow dry your hair? maybe you should try towel drying it. i know blow drying can damage your hair and cause it to frizz.
try something like the holy cow towel or turbie twist
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:05 AM   #10
 
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Do you blow dry your hair? maybe you should try towel drying it. i know blow drying can damage your hair and cause it to frizz.
try something like the holy cow towel or turbie twist
This depends on porosity. Low-po hair generally does better with blow drying - diffused, of course!!
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My hair:
2b wavy, medium texture, low porosity, med-high density. Protein finicky.
My routine:
Cleansing: DCNP, every 4-5 days (occasionally use CJ cleansers).
RO: CJSC, occasionally use JCDC
LI: KCKT or CJSL
Gel: KCCC, CJCIAB for 2nd day hair (sometimes third)

Heat is my friend: warm water rinses, steam caps, and diffuse dry. I love CLU cloths and my Denman.
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