In search of soft, natural waves

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I understand that a lot of the CG methods really help 3s and 4s. But, as a 2, I'm questioning them.

What's the point of trying to make our waves as curly as possible? Sure, if you like it, that's great -- go for it! I like the way curly hair looks just fine.

The problem is that I'm so tired of fighting the weird mix of curls that is my hair, trying to make everything curly. Some pieces are nearly straight, while others are almost 3s. Often, the strongest curls deflate within a few hours anyway. Instead of trying to make them all 3s, why not go for a happy medium?

My hair is super soft. I like how soft my hair is. When I do all the curl junk, it's not. Breaking the casts helps to an extent, but it's never as soft as my natural hair.

Like most wavies, I fight frizz, and I think this is my real battle. Co-washing has helped a lot, as has getting a shower filter. I use Hair One, and lately I've been using mousse (no cones or parabens). My hair has been acting fairly decent, especially now that the summer humidity has passed. I use low heat only sometimes, and use a heat protectant when I do.

Anyone else out there going for soft, natural waves instead of curls? What do you use? What do you find helps?
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy

Last edited by Roswenthe; 11-04-2012 at 05:00 PM.
I understand that a lot of the CG methods really help 3s and 4s. But, as a 2, I'm questioning them.

What's the point of trying to make our waves as curly as possible? Sure, if you like it, that's great -- go for it! I like the way curly hair looks just fine.

The problem is that I'm so tired of fighting the weird mix of curls that is my hair, trying to make everything curly. Some pieces are nearly straight, while others are almost 3s. Often, the strongest curls deflate within a few hours anyway. Instead of trying to make them all 3s, why not go for a happy medium?

My hair is super soft. I like how soft my hair is. When I do all the curl junk, it's not. Breaking the casts helps to an extent, but it's never as soft as my natural hair.

Like most wavies, I fight frizz, and I think this is my real battle. Co-washing has helped a lot, as has getting a shower filter. I use Hair One, and lately I've been using mousse (no cones or parabens). My hair has been acting fairly decent, especially now that the summer humidity has passed. I use low heat only sometimes, and use a heat protectant when I do.

Anyone else out there going for soft, natural waves instead of curls? What do you use? What do you find helps?
Originally Posted by Roswenthe

You definitely should do what's best for you and your hair!!!! My hair is 2a and I have no misconceptions that it's waves and will never be "curly". I'm trying to just accept what they are and not what they'll never be. I tried both the strict and mod-cg method for quite some time and I finally got frustrated with all of it and gave up on making my hair wavy for 7 months. Now it's grown out a lot and I missed my waves so I'm working on them again but this time I'm using sulfates and 'cones in my shampoo and conditioner. I just got annoyed and stressed trying to find CG approved products. If it works for some, that is awesome but don't try to do what isn't right for you! Good luck!
2a, fine-med. text, normal porosity (I think)

[FONT=Going back and forth between Herbal Essence Don't Fade On Me shampoo and condish and L'oreal Sulfate Free shampoo

Stylers-
- Not Your Mother's Curl Cream, La Bella Sports Gel, Aussie Sprunch Spray

[/COLOR][/FONT] [I][B]My waves are finally getting stronger thanks to weekly PTs and longer hair in general. Still trying to grow it out though!

mod-CG since December '10

I have Celiac's Disease so no gluten please!

My hair is basically my hobby!!

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I don't have particularly soft hair, and it's curly, but I do get waves on my canopy when the dew point is very low, and I like the softer look a lot! When it's very dry it's easier for me to experiment with curl shapes, and I've been trying a more "wavy" look lately. People keep commenting on how much my hair has grown, but it's really just not as spirally as usual.

Your post caught my attention because I've recently been using a product called Miss Jessie's Pillow Soft Curls, and the softening is incredible. Seriously, my hands don't recognize the feel of my own hair when this stuff is in it. Also, it can give me hair that's closer to waves than curls, if I rake it through my hair while stretching it out. When I sleep in it, packed in a sleep cap, I have long wavy hair in the morning! This cream might be just the kind of thing you're looking for. (You can send for free samples on Miss Jessie's website.) It seems kind of expensive but the tube is HUGE and you'd probably need only a little to perk up waves and stop frizz.

Another product that's amazingly versatile is Ouidad Climate Control gel. Some people use it when they straighten their hair, so it may be able to keep your waves from curling up on you. If they poof, you can wet your hair a little and the gel reactivates.

Also, maybe just use leave-in conditioner but don't add any creams, mousses, or gels. I think most stylers can "encourage" curl (at least they seem to with my hair), so maybe just conditioner will leave your hair free to be wavy.
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ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Also, maybe just use leave-in conditioner but don't add any creams, mousses, or gels. I think most stylers can "encourage" curl (at least they seem to with my hair), so maybe just conditioner will leave your hair free to be wavy.
Originally Posted by gardencurls
That's actually what it does with Hair One. It does have a cone in it, which is why I wash it with a low poo every now and again. But it's made my hair a lot less prone to frizz.

I was reading about that Pillow Soft Curls. I know I've seen it at Target. I'm not sure I want to add another cone, which it said that it also had.

I don't really have an objection to being curly in itself, I'm just tired of trying to make the straight pieces match the curlier ones. I think it might be easier to just let the curlier ones soften a little, and blend into the straighter ones. My hair is shoulder-length, so not that long, and I think if I let it grow a bit, it'd develop into big ringlets.
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
What about flax seed gel? Since you can make it, you can customize it however you like.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

My hair is a 2b/3a mix, but I like soft, flowy hair rather than hold and definition. I've been experimenting with conditioner only styling, and so far I really like it. Basically, all I do is wash my hair, leave some conditioner in, comb it through, and that's it. It's so simple, and I've been loving the results.
2a/b
medium/thick
high porosity (from coloring)

Shampoo: Mop Top Gentle Shampoo
Co-wash: Chistophe Robin Lemon Cleansing Cream
RO: CJ strengthening, Kenra moisturizing
LI: Jessicurl Aloeba
DT: CJ rehab, Christophe Robin Prickly Pear Mask
PT: SS protein treatment, Ouidad 12 minute
Stylers: Jessicurl RR, SS Firm Hold Gel
Oils: caudalie, sweet almond
What about flax seed gel? Since you can make it, you can customize it however you like.
Originally Posted by asianrunner
Flax seed gel is one of those things I keep meaning to try and just haven't gotten around to it. I will look into it this week.

I also ordered a sample of Pillow Soft Curls, along with a sample of Baby Buttercreme. It's nice that Miss Jessie's lets you send for free samples like that.
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
Let us know how you like them! Your hair in your avatar is just beautiful. It looks extremely shiny and the color is gorgeous.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Thank you. It's actually lighter now, sort of strawberry blonde, but all the color is artificial. I'm premature grey.

I got the sample for the Pillow Soft Curls in the mail, and it was very greasy. It did a fairly good job, though. I think it would be better on someone with coarser or drier hair than mine.

Since we wavies don't get a lot of attention, I think I'm going to start a tumblr for wavy hair. Probably less photos and more guides and stuff.
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Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
Can I ask what coloring you use? I'm covering grays myself, but I don't want to lose my copper red. A lot of colorings I've tried leave my grays blonde or pinkish, before they wash out completely. 10 Volume peroxide helps the color stay a lot longer, but it's hard to keep it out of my non-gray hair, but it darkens my hair for a couple of week, no matter what color I use.

I wish I could help you more with product recommendations. Even though I have Type 3 hair, the products that work best for me from CurlMart are often recommendations for Type 4 curls.

One thing I've noticed from reading posts here is that a lot of wavies find some Jessicurl products are perfect for their hair. Almost all of these products contain flax seed, which, I think boosts curls. I've used a lot of Jessicurl products (the "Rich & Radiant choices), and they are very light, and they don't seem to be greasy.


Light & Luminous Collection - 8 oz.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Usually L'Oreal Paris Excellence, because it seems to last longer on the gray. Sometimes I go with Feria if I want to use a brighter color. My hair growing up was strawberry blonde, but it darkened some in my college years to maybe a light copper brown. I'm finding the lighter colors are easier to blend into the grays when it grows out. My gray hair is actually bright silver, so they really show up.

I think that tone was the reddish brown, but not totally sure.
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
Roswenthe, recently I tried a new product and I immediately thought of you!

The product is 4Naturals Spring Back Custard. It gives amazing, even definition and great hold, but it's not sticky or flaky.

-Just thought I'd let you know.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Aw, thank you! I looked it up on Amazon. Has a very short ingredients list. I like that...
Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
So here's my hair with KCCC, scrunched and diffused. It's still barely damp, so I haven't scrunched out the crunch yet, but the difference in all my curls is quite obvious.

I'm going to start photo tracking all my experiments and posting them on my Twitter and the wavy hair group on Facebook.

Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
Roswenthe, Your hair looks beautiful! I can see it's being sneaky and it's really trying to curl up, but the KCCC should keep it stretched and in waves.

After seeing this pic, I am so curious to see what Spring Back would do in your hair! I love to experiment and I am my own guinea pig. My four year old daughter is "on" to me, so she hardly ever lets me use her as a test subject anymore. You have such huge spirals! So pretty.

I know the "look" of not-quite-dry KCCC, so I suspect your hair is going to appear curlier when it's fully dry, but it will still be "wavy". It's extremely defined and bouncy...your hair definitely likes the KCCC.
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
It does fine with KCCC, and the front was curlier, but I still don't like how it feels. Even now that it's been combed out (wide-tooth), it still feels rough and dry. Those 1c pieces dry almost straight, with a slight curve, like a used a wide-barrel curling iron on them. Half the back is straight (see pic below). In the pic, it was scrunched, but I hadn't combed it yet.

I went to Sally's and ended up getting the 4Naturals Curly Wave Serum. I looked at both, as well as the Shea Moisture Milk. Nobody has done a review on the Serum yet, not even on Amazon, and it's marked just for wavies, so I thought I'd be a guinea pig and try it out. So tomorrow I will comment on that and take pics. I did want a comparison with the KCCC, so I did this today.

I think you are right about my curls, though, and I think part of my problem is the length right now. When it gets longer, I think it will be much easier to wear curly. It's just so uneven right now. I think curl will start showing up in the back the longer it gets.

Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
One thing I've always noticed about KCCC on my hair that I see the same on your hair is that it can make the top layers look almost "too" defined. It makes very thin clumps that wind up not blending with the lower layers. Your hair looks thick and so smooth, the last thing you need to do is dry it out.

One of the problems with my "canopy" right now, is I butchered it being into the shortest layers on my head (right before I went CG in August '11), so it doesn't have the length to spiral all the way. The more it grows the curlier and thicker it gets. Depending on where you live, though, the winter air can make hair way less springy.

When I'm visiting my mother-in-law in the mountains I have a "trick" for helping my hair not to be a straight mop of static. I add some hair gel to my cleanser when I wash, then rinse it out when you rinse the cleanser. I wore my hair short for many years, and my hair just flops in very low dew points plus cold air, to the point where it's like different hair. I can easily have straight hair just by blow-drying when my hair is short. One time when I was visiting my MIL, I got curious on my guinea-pig self and decided to try my MIL's shampoo. I'd never even seen the stuff in my life, which made me even more curious. It was called Wash & Curl. I could feel a difference right away when I was rinsing my hair. My hair started to "spring" up into shape even when it was soaked. I read the ingredients of her shampoo and it seemed as though it had hair gel ingredients in it. (PVP maybe?). Whenever I do my "cleanse" in super low dew point temperatures, I add a little hair gel, and it gives that extra little boost.

I almost bought the Wave Serum when I was at Sally's. In fact, it was what I originally planned to buy, but the SA recommended the custard. I'm going to try the Serum soon, because it might work like Pillow Soft Curls - sans DDT, hydrochloric acid and thalidomide.

Let me know how it works!
3b/c, Coarse, Low Porosity, Desert Climate
CG since August 2011/Occasionally Modified since 2013
Favorites:KCKT/KCCC/CHS Curl Keeper/Camille Rose Curl Maker/
ORS Curls Unleased Second ChanceRefresher/
It's a 10 Leave-in/BRHG/
Jane Carter Nourish & Shine butter/
Ouidad Double-Detangler Comb
Very surprised by the 4Naturals Curly Wave Serum. It's very, very light, almost weightless, but as soon as I took the diffuser bowl off my first section, all these tiny curls jumped out! It didn't clump at all, but is very curly.

In my quest for something more natural, once it was dry, I combed it out, and I am very pleased with the result. Still didn't get any curl from that back underlayer, but it's quite cute today, and no frizz so far. It's still soft and feels like my hair, too.



Averages out at 2b, ranges from 1c to 3a, very fine
Mane 'n Tail co-wash + leave-in
Clarifying shampoo every few weeks
Lavender Allergy
I have 2a-2b hair. Co wash has definitely helped in reducing the frizz, I use garnier and herbal essences as conditioners. They soften my hair well enough. I still use sulfate shampoo, but I dilute it before I put it in my hair.

I'm working on finding a prefect leave in (natural or watered down rinse out conditioner) and perfecting the exact amount needed so my waves aren't weighed down and greasy.

I sometimes like to enhance my waves with braids and twists, but I love my flat iron too. As long as my hair is healthy, anything works for me.

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HAIR TYPE -2a-b, black, mostly medium
CO WASH, RO-HE HH and ENLEVEN and GARNIER RANGE
CLARIFY- I use sulphate shampoos silicone free(diluted), vinegar rinses
DC-pure coconut oil, olive oil, sometimes a SMT
LI-aloe vera gel + castor oil
I'm currently at BSL, aiming for waist length.I'm a very impatient person, wish me luck
I love my flat iron, but I love my waves even more. :-D
Very surprised by the 4Naturals Curly Wave Serum. It's very, very light, almost weightless, but as soon as I took the diffuser bowl off my first section, all these tiny curls jumped out! It didn't clump at all, but is very curly.

In my quest for something more natural, once it was dry, I combed it out, and I am very pleased with the result. Still didn't get any curl from that back underlayer, but it's quite cute today, and no frizz so far. It's still soft and feels like my hair, too.



Originally Posted by Roswenthe
Looks really nice
2c/3a, botticelli/wavy/'swavy (huh?)
fine, dense, normal porosity/elasticity, dry climate

My favorite brands are Kinky Curly, As I am, Curly Kinks, Curl Junkie, and Darcy's Botanicals. Also love sealing with oils (loving argan oil right now) and styling with jelly products (KCCC is my current favorite). Mostly trying to keep it simple!

CG since 12/29/2011

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