Mixture of 2a,2b and 2c

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I have 2a hair on the bottom layer/random spots and 2b and sometimes 2c hair on top. I have low porosity, medium-high density, high width and shoulder length.

My current routine is Say Yes to Carrots shampoo and conditioner. I shampoo every other day but I have a terrible time with second day hair. Even after I get it wet to bring my curls out again it just feels nasty, and if I try to co-wash it is very greasy and feels gross.

Also, my hair is really dry right now. I plan on doing a deep conditioner tonight with either honey or oil mixed with my SYTC cond.

Anyone with similar hair to mine or any advice at all?
Wow, so I've met people here on NC.com with similar hair types who are my hair twins...but you are like an identical twin! haha(: I have the exact same type (with the mixture of 2's,) same porosity, density, width, and even the length comes pretty close.

Do you use any styling products? Sometimes, those help me maintain my curls through the second day. Also, I found that Yes to Carrots didn't work too well for me. The shampoo didn't really clean enough, which might be the nasty feeling you're mentioning. I agree about the co-washing, too...greasy on my hair. My experience with YTC Shampoo could be different for you, though! Also, for second-day hair, pineappling at night has worked the best for me. I put all my hair up on the top of my head in a loose scrunchy and sleep with it over the pillow. Work great!
2c/2b with some 2a, coarse, dense, thick, low porosity
Growing out a CL bob. Currently at APL.
CG again as of 7/20/12


Cleanser: BRÖÖ Smoothing I.P.A. Shampoo
RO: Trader Joe's Nourish Spa Conditioner
LI: Kinky-Curly Knot Today
Styler: Beautiful Curls Gel for Wavy to Curly Hair

all-natural products, light moisture, humectants, argan oil
silk protein, synthetic ingredients, heavy oils/products, cowashing
Noelle, I have similar hair and I can't use Yes To carrots at all - makes my hair a nasty, frizzy mess ;p maybe you could try Yest To Cucumbers or another product? I have heard good things about both Suave and Aubrey Organics products...I don't do the CG method of washing, I use a low-poo - but i was wondering if maybe your hair just needs a change.

BTW, Dresdendoll, do you find the pineapple method ruins the clump/curl at the top part of your head? I have found it is great for my long lengths, but not so good for the hair closer to my scalp - I am searching for an alternate solution, but would be curious to hear your experience, as we have such similar hair.
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Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
My hair is similar.

2C for the most part, with a few 2B pieces scattered throughout. Shoulder length, medium-coarse, low/medium porosity, very dense.

My hair is also protein-sensitive & thrives on a moisture heavy routine.

You mentioned problems with second day hair & a gunky feeling. I had that for the first three months after going CG, until I realized my hair is very prone to "conditioner cling", caused by the buildup of cationic surfactants & polyquaterniums found in a lot of styling products (shampoos, conditioners, leave-ins, gels), especially 'cone-free products, since they add "slip" in place of silicone.

Common cationics are: cetrimonium chloride, behentrimonium methosulfate, "ammonium salts" (a broad category) & anything ending in "-ium".

Common polyquaterniums are: polyquat-4, polyquat-7, polyquat-10, polyquat-11, polyquat-37, polyquat-44. Some are more "sticky" than others, but all can potentially build up on hair & block moisture.

The chemistry can get technical, but most normal (anionic) shampoos do not remove cationics & polyquats, they just cause them to bond even more tenaciously to the hair shaft, so the more you use them & try to wash them out, the worse it all gets.

A low-poo with an amphoteric surfactant, like coco betaine, can help with the removal of polyquats, although it doesn't get 100% of the buildup.

I had to switch out a lot of my shampoos, conditioners & styling agents to avoid these ingredients, but my hair is SO much better for it.

I currently use Aubrey Organics products for the most part, since their whole lineup seems to be silicone, cationic & polyquat free. I also like several Shea Moisture shampoos (Raw Shea Butter Moisture Retention; African Black Soap Deep Cleansing).

Again, buildup may not be your issue, but it may be something to look into.

Good luck!


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2C/3A--med-coarse, slightly porous (highlighted), very dry & protein sensitive

No-Poo: Naturally Amari Berry No-Poo (w/o Aloe & Horsetail)

Condition: Suave Daily Clarifying & Sun-Ripened Strawberry

Stylers: 4Naturals Spring Back, L'oreal Everstyle Curl Defining Gel

Avoiding: sulfates, ‘cones, parabens, polyquats/cationics (except stearamidopropyl dimethylamine), most proteins/extracts.

Last edited by LadyPlymdale; 11-15-2012 at 03:45 AM.
Wow, so I've met people here on NC.com with similar hair types who are my hair twins...but you are like an identical twin! haha(: I have the exact same type (with the mixture of 2's,) same porosity, density, width, and even the length comes pretty close.

Do you use any styling products? Sometimes, those help me maintain my curls through the second day. Also, I found that Yes to Carrots didn't work too well for me. The shampoo didn't really clean enough, which might be the nasty feeling you're mentioning. I agree about the co-washing, too...greasy on my hair. My experience with YTC Shampoo could be different for you, though! Also, for second-day hair, pineappling at night has worked the best for me. I put all my hair up on the top of my head in a loose scrunchy and sleep with it over the pillow. Work great!
Originally Posted by dresdendoll
That's awesome that I found someone similar to my hair! I have been using the Shae Moisture Conditioning Masque sometimes and then sometimes I use just Argan oil and maybe some light hairspray but that's it! I haven't tried any other products, when I have used stuff for wavy/curly in the past it always makes my hair crunch and I definitely don't want that!

Maybe if I could find a product at the store (Kroger, CVS, Walgreens) that would work it would also help with the fact my waves get flat and boring as the day goes on.

I haven't done a pineapple because the back bottom layer of my hair wont stay up if its that high up :/
Knotty_Maddy I plan on switching shampoo and conditioner as soon as my YTC is out. I still need to do more research on low-poo to figure out how to do that properly!


LadyPlymdale- It may be the buildup, my hair is usually slighly oily when I wake up the second day and flat then when I try to co-wash its just nasty. I will keep that in mind next time I try. This is a great process but I find myself constantly getting overwhelmed with all these different chemical terms and crap. I am still trying to figure out what is bad about silicone's and protein and what they do! haha

Thanks for all your help!!
Oh and apparently I have 2 different accounts, cause I accidentally signed in through facebook to create this thread....ugh! And how did you all get your profile pictures on and the information about your hair at the bottom of each message?
Oh and apparently I have 2 different accounts, cause I accidentally signed in through facebook to create this thread....ugh! And how did you all get your profile pictures on and the information about your hair at the bottom of each message?
Originally Posted by NoelleJ
look up at the top left hand corner of this page - you will see, in white, WELCOME, and then in blue letters, you will see NOELLEJ. click on your blue name, and choose EDIT MY ACCOUNT. You can load a profile pic from there. In regard to having two accounts, you can got to the FORUM selection and choose HOUSEKEEPING/ Feedback. Tell the mods about your two accounts there they will fix it.

In regard to editing or creating your signature block, go to where it says, in red, Private Messages at the top right hand corner of the page. Click on that, and you will see, along the left hand side, a column of choices. In the SETTINGS part, choose Edit My Signature. Hope that helps!

In regard to figuring out what is in your products and what it does, go here, TightlyCurly.com and then look it up Good luck! And good on you to figure stuff out and do the research before going into debt trying everything/anything! You will have more luck that way

One last note, you could try a low-price, on the ground cowash till you get your bearings - L'Oreal has a cowash product in one bottle, called L'Oreal Evercreme Cowash, and many curlies here seem to like it. It is low-poo and contains no proteins. It costs about $5 or $7 a bottle, so it is an inexpensive way to rehydrate while you figure everything out My advice is to smell it first before buying, though - many do not like the heavy vanilla perfume.
Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
you might also try these helpful links

TON of useful information for new curlies!! =)

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Curly Hair Tips, Styles & Products - NaturallyCurly

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Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
Besides the L'Oreal co wash are there any other products you would recommend, especially curl defining and holding products that don't make my hair crunchy?
CG since Nov 1, 2012
2a/2b maybe 2c depending on the day
Low/medium porosity
High density
Medium width...I think
- still discovering perfect products for me
Don't be afraid of crunch. Once the gel cast sets you can SOTC (scrunch out the crunch). The gel cast will help set your waves.
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Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

So would I apply the product to soaking wet or damp hair? And please explain how to sotc?
CG since Nov 1, 2012
2a/2b maybe 2c depending on the day
Low/medium porosity
High density
Medium width...I think
- still discovering perfect products for me
Depends what method you use - if you do Supersoaker, I guess you'd apply the gel to soaking hair. I think many people here put it in their damp hair, or after they have scrunched out a lot of water. You put the very firm hold gel in your hair, and then let your hair dry naturally. The important part is absolutely do NOT touch your hair till it is bone-dry! lol! Then, you gently break the hard gel "cast" by scrunching your hair upwards with your hands. (SOTC)

The hard gel sets the curls as they dry, leaving you with more curl definition/hold. Hth!
Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
I have pretty much the same hair specs. I don't have the patience to go full cg method, so I use Wen or Hair One, herbal Essence curl boosting mousse, and Nothing But Curls sealer for just a little extra weight for my top layer to keep fly always at bay. I can't do the proteins at all, but the wheat protein in Hair One doesn't hurt. I just can't use Soy or any gel or anything that has protein. I use a deep conditioning masque from salon Grafix (supposed to be like a generic of Wens deep treatment masque, but I doubt it). I do it about once a week. I've been messing with coconut oil too.

My biggest help is blow drying with a diffuser. I can't stand to wait for air drying and I never get as good of curls if I wait on it. Also I don't ever get day 2 hair. My top layer is not as curly as my middle so it really falls out and just gets flat and dry. I can revive with moisture, more quick drying, and a little mousse, but then I just feel dirty. And my hair won't last all second day, either.
Depends what method you use - if you do Supersoaker, I guess you'd apply the gel to soaking hair. I think many people here put it in their damp hair, or after they have scrunched out a lot of water. You put the very firm hold gel in your hair, and then let your hair dry naturally. The important part is absolutely do NOT touch your hair till it is bone-dry! lol! Then, you gently break the hard gel "cast" by scrunching your hair upwards with your hands. (SOTC)

The hard gel sets the curls as they dry, leaving you with more curl definition/hold. Hth!
Originally Posted by Knotty_Maddy
That makes sense! Thank you!! Any specific cheap product suggestion for that?
CG since Nov 1, 2012
2a/2b maybe 2c depending on the day
Low/medium porosity
High density
Medium width...I think
- still discovering perfect products for me
I have pretty much the same hair specs. I don't have the patience to go full cg method, so I use Wen or Hair One, herbal Essence curl boosting mousse, and Nothing But Curls sealer for just a little extra weight for my top layer to keep fly always at bay. I can't do the proteins at all, but the wheat protein in Hair One doesn't hurt. I just can't use Soy or any gel or anything that has protein. I use a deep conditioning masque from salon Grafix (supposed to be like a generic of Wens deep treatment masque, but I doubt it). I do it about once a week. I've been messing with coconut oil too.

My biggest help is blow drying with a diffuser. I can't stand to wait for air drying and I never get as good of curls if I wait on it. Also I don't ever get day 2 hair. My top layer is not as curly as my middle so it really falls out and just gets flat and dry. I can revive with moisture, more quick drying, and a little mousse, but then I just feel dirty. And my hair won't last all second day, either.
Originally Posted by melissa.pett

2nd day hair sucks!!!! That is exactly what my hair does no matter how I sleep on it or whatever I do!
CG since Nov 1, 2012
2a/2b maybe 2c depending on the day
Low/medium porosity
High density
Medium width...I think
- still discovering perfect products for me
Depends what method you use - if you do Supersoaker, I guess you'd apply the gel to soaking hair. I think many people here put it in their damp hair, or after they have scrunched out a lot of water. You put the very firm hold gel in your hair, and then let your hair dry naturally. The important part is absolutely do NOT touch your hair till it is bone-dry! lol! Then, you gently break the hard gel "cast" by scrunching your hair upwards with your hands. (SOTC)

The hard gel sets the curls as they dry, leaving you with more curl definition/hold. Hth!
Originally Posted by Knotty_Maddy
That makes sense! Thank you!! Any specific cheap product suggestion for that?
Originally Posted by noelle.j.1
I have been having success with both Aussie Instant Freeze gel and Herbal Essence's Totally Twisted. I will also soon be trying Herbal Essence's Set Me Up. Easily and cheaply available in any drugstore or grocery store. Many here use either homemade flax-seed gel (see the "recipes" forum), or BioSilk Rock Hard Gelee. (Much more expensive, bought at salons and beauty supply warehouses.) You will see them mentioned here as follows (after the Aussie one): HETT, HESMU, FSG, and BSRHG Hth!
Finer, mixed with coarser strands, low-porosity, wavy curly whirly hair...3A, 2C hair. Medium thickness, medium elasticity.
S-shaped hair with corkscrew ends. My hair is even more confused than me ;p
My hair officially hates protein Once a month is enough!
Currently a fan of TiGi products, (rock on, TiGi Curlesque styling creme!) but that will soon change - I am a self-avowed product junkie! Yay!
BIG fan of supersoaker method - thanks Rudeechick!
I just bought HETT so we'll see how it works!
CG since Nov 1, 2012
2a/2b maybe 2c depending on the day
Low/medium porosity
High density
Medium width...I think
- still discovering perfect products for me
I apply my curl enhancer to soaking wet hair because it helps my hair clump together better.
Coarse texture, normal-high porosity, normal elasticity (Komaza Care), very weak waves
cleanser: Redken Fresh Curls Shampoo, CJ Daily Fix

rinse out: GVP Conditioning Balm, CJ Repair Me, CJ Smoothing

jellies/creams: CR Curl Maker, KCCC, UFD Curly Magic
gels: CJ CQ, BRHG

I used the HETT for the first time today. I raked it through my hair then scrunched it, diffused it a bit and now it is stringy, one side of my hair is just flat wavy and I am still having trouble doing anything to my bottom layer because it is straighter and just sticks out!
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