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Old 04-02-2013, 11:51 PM   #1
 
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I'm new to this, and at first I thought I was a medium density, because I have never thought of my hair as "thin" or lacking in volume. But as I continue to try things out to minimize my crown frizzies (it's going okay, not great, but okay) I am noticing that, as my waves clump, my scalp is showing in little lines, between the clumps. I have always hated that, with my very light skin and dark hair, my scalp will sometimes make glaring appearances close to a cowlick I have on the back of my head, and I knew how to sort of cover that when I was flat-ironing and wearing my hair in a smooth bob (if all else failed, there's be some under-layer teasing going on, a round brush over top, and then some hairspray). But I can't do that stuff now that I'm geling, scrunching, diffusing, all in the attempt to clump my waves in their natural pattern. So, how do I hide my scalp "cracks" that are showing up in various spots on the top of my head and right at my crown (esp. around the cowlick)? (And, I'm pretty short, so I am dismayed at the idea of many people who look down on my head from above, seeing all those scalp lines.) All this makes me think I must have thinner density hair than I previously thought. Is that most likely true? Seems like a person with high-density hair would not have scalp lines showing, other than an intential part, if desired.

Secondly, and a related question: if I do in fact have lower-density hair, would it be correct to resign myself to smaller clumps? Last week I was trying to achieve big clumps by not raking product through my hair, but the result was hair from inches apart on my head (like at the top and also over my ear) clumping together, hair that didn't really originate from the same parts of my scalp. And it just did not make for a practical, wearable style. It looked weird and messed up. So should I just go with the thinner clumps (and go ahead and rake, since it's what seems to work, for now) rather than trying to achieve fewer and bigger clumping waves? Do different people just naturally have different clumping patterns, and would hair density largely determine that?

Hope these questions make sense, and thanks for any insights you can give me as I learn.
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People have different preferences with clumping. I have thick hair, but I prefer thinner clumps because it helps my curls spring up a bit more. Other people prefer larger clumps. Go with what you think works beat for your hair.
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Can you try to not put product on your root? I have the opposite, my ends are so thin when they clump it looks terrible so I try to avoid product there.

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Do you diffuse? I use the pixie curl method and diffuse my hair upside down, gently "massaging" my scalp with the fingers of the diffuser. This helps with root volume, which might help. The massaging action may also help to more evenly distribute your hair at the roots.
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Hi Gloria. I had/have the same problem, which was kind of a shock as hairdressers told me for years that I had a lot of hair. I tried several things and discovered that combing helps. While still in the shower, I comb my RO through my hair, rinse, then may comb in a tiny bit of leave in. I comb from scalp to ends and I usually do this leaning forward with my hair flipped over. Then while its soaking wet I scrunch in mousse or something and work it up the length of my hair, avoiding the scalp. I think combing helps create neater clumping and spreads the hair out evenly over my scalp. The scrunching clumps the length. If the hair is soaking wet then you avoid stringy clumping. I blot the excess water afterward, then plop, then diffuse. An hour to two later when it's really dry, I flip my head upside down and fluff up just the roots.
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I agree with combing, except I comb only the top of my head after a shower. When I get out of the shower and put my products in, I take a fine comb and just comb the crown of my head (before products), about down to my ears, so there won't be any "scalp cracks." But then you also have to make sure that you tousle your hair enough at the crown that it doesn't just stick flat to your scalp. Usually by the time I put my products in my hair falls where I want it to fall and isn't completely straight at the top from combing it. Hope that helps, try it out!
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Wow, thanks for all these ideas! Yes, I've been applying gel all the way up to the roots, because I am trying to avoid frizz at the crown (mostly it's regrowth...I don't know how to combat this). I have always had the issue of regrowth hairs, some times worse than others (post-partum), but even in the best of times, I've got hairs regrowing at the crown that are 2 inches tall and sticking up like question marks. These days, some of them are silver/white, which is a bit of a shock against my dark brown hair. I do not mind the occasional silver hair, as it adds sparkle, but I definitely mind when they call dramatic attention to themselves by sticking straight (curly) up from my part! It can be dismaying!

I will try these combing and massaging ideas. Thanks, ladies!
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I do not mind the occasional silver hair, as it adds sparkle, but I definitely mind when they call dramatic attention to themselves by sticking straight (curly) up from my part! It can be dismaying!
Heh, I feel your pain! My white hairs are both coarser and curlier than the rest of my hair and they like to stick out of my dark hair like little silver springs.

I have the same problem as you with scalp showing, and what works for me is to go ahead and style and dry and all, *then* run a comb just through the first couple inches of hair near my scalp. I don't disturb the waves further down. YMMV--good luck.
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I think we are hair twins.
I haven't found one before but not only is your problem like mine but your hair description is like mine too.

I've been CG since December and I really hate it when my scalp shows through.
It probably does it more than I even realized and I noticed yesterday that my scalp was really showing through more than i thought.

I use DevaCurl no-poo and OneCondish,Deva LI, and then some combo of styling aids I have been varying to find the HG hairdo.
I use CurlKeeper almost all the time, though, as it is really versatile and I have been trying all the other Deva stuff first as when I went CG I bought a bunch of stuff while I was learning. I'd just undergone major surgery and couldn't go shopping so I was ordering online and the best thing to do was start out with DevaCurl.
I also have a bunch of redken that my stylist gave me but I'm afraid to use as I think it has cones in it.
And I have ReCoil which sometimes works better than other times.
I'm open to any suggestions at all.

I'm not sophisticated about dew points or ingredients either and could use all the help I can get!

I'm going to try some of these combing and styling tricks too and see how it goes.
Thanks for starting this thread and if we are hair twins maybe we could make this work out.
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I have the same problem too with the "scalp crack". Its mostly in the back of my head. I'm still learning how to control my hair, lately it just feels like an unkempt mess, especially when I look in the mirror later and see a scalp crack and think to myself, "oh great, I've been going around with THAT all day?" ha.

Anyway, mine mainly happens when I keep my hair upside down during rinse out, comb, product application and plop. However, I've still notice scalp crack in the back even when I try to part my hair when its sopping wet out of the shower and avoid going upside down until plopping time. I'm afraid to mess with the back too much because I don't want frizz.

Does anyone recommend any styling products/methods to use after hair is dry and the infamous scalp crack shows up later after the hair is dry? Lol. Maybe something to rub/scrunch in to get the hair to fluff out where needed?
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Me too! I have now hairnorexia. I went through lots of big sheds, after my last child, but also that's when my hair became curly again, after years of brushing and having what everyone told me "lots of hair" Now that it clumps, I realize my density is low, and if i squeeze y hair together like in a pony, it's so small compared to my daughter's, which is firm, my just molds to whatever plasters it. My husband says it's the products, the different treatment I give to my hair, the absence of brushing, and all this that has changed my hair and makes it look like it's less, but he says' its all there. Was it just lots of air that I had in my hair when I used to brush?? who knows, but after I sleep on my hair, it' looks flatter, and less. I don't have the scalp issue, because i Don't clump from the roots, thank Goodness, but I would have that if it did clump from there. WHat are we to do!
Even my niece that saw me after years, saw my hair (bed hair) after it's been curly and said, You lost all your volume) that really made me feel great!
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Wow, thanks for all these ideas! Yes, I've been applying gel all the way up to the roots, because I am trying to avoid frizz at the crown (mostly it's regrowth...I don't know how to combat this). I have always had the issue of regrowth hairs, some times worse than others (post-partum), but even in the best of times, I've got hairs regrowing at the crown that are 2 inches tall and sticking up like question marks. These days, some of them are silver/white, which is a bit of a shock against my dark brown hair. I do not mind the occasional silver hair, as it adds sparkle, but I definitely mind when they call dramatic attention to themselves by sticking straight (curly) up from my part! It can be dismaying!

I will try these combing and massaging ideas. Thanks, ladies!
I can't help with the scalp stuff but I occasionally have the same issue with new growth sticking straight up once my hair is dry. I've noticed it's worse the more things I do upside-down so I've started scrunching my products in with my hair flipped to the side (one, and then the other) and super soaking this way too. I just started diffusing and doing the pixie method upside down has also increased the problem so I try to only do this to the side as well once my hair starts to dry. Someone on another thread also mentioned she blows the diffuser down her hair from above once its mostly dry, I've tried this the last two times I diffused and it worked fairly well. I think next time I'm going to try not drying all the way to the roots, I think if I leave them a little damp those hairs will lay down a little easier. You might also try sealing with a light oil, my hair always seems to lay nicer after I've done this, our properties are different though so ??
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:57 PM   #13
 
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Well, I'm back to update. I've tried a couple different things.

1. Pinning my hair at the roots strategically with the long duckbill clips. It's great for volume, but I can't seem to get the hair spread apart enough so that sidewalk-eque cracks aren't forming between the clumps that I'm clipping.

2. combing at the crown while my hair is damp with product. I did not like the "straight on top, wavy on the sides" look I got.

3. Putting in gel and scrunching with my head upright. I totally get why this is a good idea for someone like me, with perhaps a lower hair density than I would like to believe I have, and with the crazy little regrowth sticking up here and there. But adding gel while upright gave my the flattest, most depressing look once my hair dried. I probably did it wrong, but I'm hesitant to try again for a while, since I have to spend the day with the results, if it goes badly.

Today, I didn't have a ton of time, plus I knew it was going to rain. So, I decided, screw it, I will just do what worked for me in the beginning before I started getting all complex and confused with many products and method changes. So I did the following:

*wash my scalp with Nature's Gate Tea Tree Oil, rinse out
*co-wash my hair length with Tresemme Naturals, finger comb, rinse out
*get out of the shower with head flipped over tub, rake in some Loreal EverCurl Conditioner for a leave in, and then squish and scrunch it in with a light coating of coconut oil on my hands to seal
*sort of rake and scrunch in a generous amount of Herbal Essences Totally Twisted gel (not my favorite, but it's all I had this morning).
*scrunch out the water with a t-shirt
*diffuse to about 70% dry

Today I had probably my best curl day ever. My frizz was minimal, too (don't know if that was due to the leave-in, which I've been a little shy with in the past, the coconut oil sealer, or the gel application, which I used more than previous times).

However (and to get back on topic of this thread), my scalp crack was off the charts on the back of my head, the very top. I'm beginning to think my suspicions about my having some incredibly awful cowlicks are definitely true. (My kids all have strong cowlicks on their crown.) I knew I had at least one, but with straightened hair, I was always able to at least cope. At the worst, I could rat some hair in the area and then cover the spot with some smooth hair over it.

So I guess, better curls = worse scalp peek-a-boo for me. It makes me feel old, and humble.

Any ideas, or should I keep fooling with the combing? And is there a CG friendly hair spray? I could try fine-tooth combing just in that spot and then spraying, but I need a good hold.
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I've had it with this scalp showing through business. One morning after I'd diffused i checked and saw a big part down the back of my hair. I finally lost patience, just grabbed a goody hair clamp, pinched the hair together (pulling up and off the scalp a bit, and clipped it for a while. It worked. I do it all the time now and it usually does the trick. I do it after i diffuse and the hair is pretty dry. It only needs 15 - 30 min. When I take out the clamp the hair stays together. Clamping does not really disturb the curl too much. It's SO frustrating when you have fair skin and dark hair AND weird swirls and cow licks.
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just grabbed a goody hair clamp, pinched the hair together (pulling up and off the scalp a bit, and clipped it for a while. It worked.
Awesome! I'm so glad to hear someone else shares my hair woes. Yes, it's not only the light skin/dark hair, but also the wacky cowlicks! I got my hair cut at an expensive salon this weekend with a guy who has wavy hair and I hoped would have great knowledge about the topic. He told me the scalp issue is due to my dark hair and light skin (duh) and showed me how to rake and shake at the crown, but I'm dubious that it will really help.

Any chance you can get me a photo of your hair in the clamp so I can envision it better? I'm excited that you have found a solution that works for you, and maybe could work for me!
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I don't get scalp cracks but since my hair is so fine I get helmet head. I found if I want volume and some swavy roots, then I need some frizz. It I want smooth then I get greasy plastered hair. Its a trade off I guess. I don't ever get : hey your hair is so frizzy.. from people. I get wow your hsir is so fluffy and voluminous. Ill take that

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Hi Gloria - I would be happy to post a photo, but I can't figure out how. It took me forever to get the one avi photo up. I more or less gave up on pics after that. I am challenged by the internets. Sorry!
But it's so strait forward you really don't need a pic. I just pull a section of hair from either side of the parting and clamp across. I make sure it goes down to the roots. They stay slightly damp even after I diffuse so the hair pattern is still flexible for a while. I leave the clip in while I drive to work and take it out before I get out of the car. That's it. I am sure a bit of hairspray before or after putting the clip in would help but I don't bother. I do flip over and run my fingers over the scalp to fluff the crown when it's finally completely dry. That helps even more to hide the parting. ( I just can't call it a "crack" - I don't wanna be a butt head....)
And I totally agree w ShellyRN - I'll take little frizz in exchange for volume any day.
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That's okay! Do you think you could link me to the hair clip/clamp? I tried Googling "Goody hair clamp" and couldn't find something with that precise name. Is it something like this?

Classics Tortoise StayTight Barrettes - Goody

I just want to get a mental picture of what kind of item I should try this with. I do have some duckbill clips that might serve the purpose you are describing. Like this, although mine do not have holes in them and are not any brand name.

Ouidad Duckbill Clips - Lifts wavy hair at roots to add volume
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Not a straight clip - like a banana clip only round. Maybe they are called jaw clamps? I
don't think the duckbill clips would work - it needs to be a shape that could hold a ponytail. Any drug store has them. (Kind of OT, the ones I want are the CHS ones at frizz off.com but i REFUSE to pay 8 bucks shipping on a 12 dollar purchase. Veronica Meza does a youtube tutorial using the CHS ones for root lift at the end of her curl keeper tutorial.) And goody was just an example. Scruncii makes them too. You just have to watch out because the super cheap ones are flimsy and can have a sharp edge to them. I hunt for the thicker ones with smooth edges. They run about 3 or 4 dollars for 6 - 10 in a pack. I use a smaller size also so the weight doesn't pull any curl out.
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I think Weathercurl is referring to something along these lines

Goody Micro Claw Clip, Mini - Best Price

I suffer from hair crack too. My hair has thinned out on the top and it's super fine and loves to frizz. It's the bane of my existence I swear lol.

Going with a micro small clips may help you. They definitely add volume. My hair is so thin and fine that it only made it worse. I typically have no root curl unless I scrunch of clip, but it takes almost too good.

A few things that have worked for me.

1) The leave in conditioner at the top of my head is different than the one for the rest of my head. Typically it has no aloe or glycerin and is a butter.

2) Adding products I still flip upside down and scrunch, but I never scrunch close to the scalp

3) I change the parting of my hair regularly. Hair becomes complacent to sit a certain way so changing that helps. The clips also do that same sort of thing.

Lastly, the lighter the hair the harder it is to see your scalp. Not that I am an advocate for dying hair, but it works.

I've been using a natural honey hair lightening formula from the long hair forums that has lightened my hair 5 shades and restored the natural red to my hair. It also encourages hair growth and cleans the scalp from bacteria.
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