New here (sort of) and 2C curls falling out

Hello all!

This is my first time posting here in a few years. My hair has been through a lot the last few years (ie way too much fun with hair dye and flat irons) and is now very fried. When it is wet it is very curly and looks lovely, but despite the fact that I use gels, serums, Leave in, it just dries into a mostly straight but frizzy mess. I have switched to an alternating no poo/ low poo regimen, and plopping for about 30 mims after.

It is very porous and medium to course and fairly thick. When it is wet I believe (though not certain) that it is a mix of mostly 2b and 2c, with a few 3A (see photo) curls but once it dries all of the curls fall out to be a very frizzy looking 2A.

Last time I was doing CG I ended up with a head of 3B curls. But this time I am having major issues. Any one have any suggestions on how I can maintain my curls/waves once the hair is dry?
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Last edited by Vichick; 04-04-2013 at 11:42 PM.
It sounds like your hair got pretty damaged... How long has it been since you started CG this time? My advice would just be to baby it as much as possible, and hope it springs back, plus experimenting with the protein/moisture balance. Having that way out of whack can do some crazy stuff to hair! At least you know your curls are still there when its wet though, so there's going to be a way for them to look just as good dry! Oh and if you try experiencing with different techniques, that could make a world of difference. Sometimes technique matters just as much as product! HTH!
curl type: 2c/3a
porosity: low
hair strand width: medium
density: thick
elasticity: low-normal
Shoulder length


Ready to get back on the CG bandwagon!
I have been CG for about 4 weeks now, although I have been using a curling iron on it once a week still because of my job, the rest of the time I just tie it up. On the day where I use heat I use a low poo shampoo as well. Come Monday I'll have a month off and can do no heat, or maybe try pixie diffusing. Dry it looks like this right now... Pretty unfortunate
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Wow, that is a difference! What styling products are you using and have you done any deep treatments? It looks like you might need something a bit stronger to hold your curl in.
curl type: 2c/3a
porosity: low
hair strand width: medium
density: thick
elasticity: low-normal
Shoulder length


Ready to get back on the CG bandwagon!
Are you doing protein treatments to repair damage followed by deep treatments to restore moisture? Also how is your diet? If you drink lots of water that will help hydrate your hair. It looks very dry right now. But I don't think without hope. If you treat it right and get regular trims to cut out the bad stuff it should get better. (You should see the difference in my mother's hair since I forced her to go CG and start taking care of it.) Can you tell us your exact routine and what products you are using? Also do you know your properties? Whether you are coarse, medium, fine and where you fall on the porosity scale?

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3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG

Wow I can tell you have really lovely curl potential, but I think the hair dyeing and flat ironing have really damaged the cuticle of your hair quite a bit...to the point that the cuticle won't stay closed as it dries, thus the frizz and lack of curl definition.

I second the suggestion of protein treatments for the short-term, as well as being diligent to not use too much heat, sulfates, cones or alcohol in any of your products....really baby it! For a long-term fix, maybe consider getting a hefty cut and then toughing it out a bit to grow out new, healthy hair. I can't help but wonder if you might actually have even curlier hair than you realize once new hair has grown in. I think it will be really pretty!
I really identify with you here, I'm going to take on board the advice. My hair is also very porous due to colour damage, and the difference between wet and dry is immense. From the moment it reaches dry, rather than drying, it is downhill from there. So with us both having colour damage, maybe it is a cuticle damage issue (which I think would also be a result of heat damage). Also elasticity which stems from cuticle damage I guess, because we can't hold the moisture to keep the hair elastic.

I only found CG after the damage, so you've encouraged me by saying it worked for you before - hopefully as we both recover from the damage it will work wonders again. I think probably protein and moisture are needed. Sorry don't have more answers, but just wanted to say - I get this!!
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.
Thank-you all so much for the suggestions.

I am a very active strict vegan who drinks mostly only water, and sometimes an almond milk latte. No alcohol, dairy, juice, pop or refined sugar. I drink 3-4 litres of water a day and take vitamin C, D, B and E supplements, as well as flax oil (omega 3s). Don't think diet is the problem.

My hair is medium - coarse, high porosity, and high density.

I am a runner so I wash my hair every day. 5 out of 6 days I do a co wash with treseme naturals conditioner and then condition with JessiCurl Too Shea! When I get out of the shower I use organix coconut, keratin, and silk anti breakage formula, followed by Live Clean Fresh Water Intense Moisturizing Leave in Conditioner, and then I scrunch in KCCC, treseme curl gel, and garnier fruictis pure clean gel.

Once a week instead of the treseme naturals co wash I use the live clean argon oil restorative shampoo instead, followed by the Too Shea! And then I do a hot oil treatment with EVOO, coconut oil, and argan oil.

I am considering going for the big chop and starting fresh but I like my long hair I haven't had any sort of hair cut in about a year so I am hoping that just trimming the ends off and no more hair dye might help.

Can anyone suggest a good protein treatment? I also can't remember what I used to use as gel with KCCC, any suggestions?

Back when my hair was healthy (and its natural colour) I could do anything to my curls, sigh
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Last edited by Vichick; 04-06-2013 at 12:58 AM.
Good for you! I also stay away from processed junk, exercise daily and drink 12 glasses of water a day. Didn't mean to imply you weren't healthy just. . . checking. Well, since your diet is awesome the only thing I can think of is the organix serum (which I used to use to help straighten my hair) is loaded with silicones and silicones make my curls go bye bye for some reason. I know that is definitely not the case for everyone but seeing as how we have similar properties (coarse, porous) that is why I mention it. Maybe your hair reacts the same or is reacting the same post damage because the silicones are coating the hair shaft and not letting the nutrients in. And yes, with damage PTs are good. Porous hair tends to like a bit of protein. Especially color treated heat damaged porous hair.

Edit:
Doh! Sorry for the PT suggestions that aren't vegan. I think I had a brain spazz late last night. My hair likes soy and silk protein for what it is worth. Maybe get a product enriched with both . . .?
3A - C, HP, ME, HD. (Coarse, High Porosity, Medium Elasticity, High Density.)

CG since Nov. 2012

Poos: SM Moisture Retention + Yucca Baobab, TJ's Tea Tree Tingle
Condish: TJ 'sTea Tree Tingle*, SM Moisture Retention* + Curl & Shine + Yucca Baobab, Yes to Blueberries
Stylers: KCKT*, SM Curl Enhancing Smoothie* + Curl & Style Milk*, KCCC*, FSG*, CJ Pattern Pusha, Curl Keeper
Sealers: Jojoba* or Grapeseed* oil

* = HG


Last edited by dusalocks; 04-06-2013 at 07:22 PM.
The recommendations here for a protein treatment are all really excellent. You should definitely consider trying one; it can make a huge difference in your hair's health. And if you are looking for a vegan option for a PT, you can try Colorful Neutral Protein Filler (the protein in it is from non-animal keratin and wheat).
Medium/coarse, low porosity, dense, mix of 3s
CG (again) since Nov. 2012

Cleanse: SM Moisture Retention, Elucence MBC, KC Come Clean
Condish: Giovanni DL, Cure Care, Ion Treatment, GVP Balm, AOHR
Protein: AOGPB, CNPF, SSRPT
Stylers: KCCC, SM Souffle, AOMM, SS CEJ, JCRR, JCCC


Trying out steaming!
I don't know if you'd be able to do this with your day to day routine, running etc, but I have found doing a pre wash treatment with coconut oil (applying to dry hair and leaving on 20 mins upwards, overnight worked well for me) helps with porosity. It helps to reduce the amount of swelling of the hair strand when washing - and porous hair particularly takes on a lot of water and swells more, then dramatically loses it and goes down (increasing damage).
UK based wavy

Mostly waves, but curls and straight bits too!
Fine to medium, high porosity, medium density, very low elasticity
Highlights damage (growing it out), seems to like protein and need lots of moisture.

Cleanse - CJDF, trying out low poos ; Co wash- Uk chemist brands, Urtekram Rose or Aloe, Hairveda Amala Cream Rinse; RO - varies, Tigi Moisture Maniac, Desert Essence Coconut ; Leave in - Keracare natural textures; Sealant - argan oil
Trying out new things, still looking.

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