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Old 04-20-2013, 08:08 AM   #1
 
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I'm new here and I see there is tons of information here but a tad overwhelming for me. I have recently decided to take the journey of caring for my hair a bit better. I have multiracial children and I have recently buckled down to properly moisturize there hair and so forth. In the process I have learned that I have not been taking good care of my own hair which is 2b and fine and low porosity. I am very plain jane and always on the go. My hair care routine consisted of just washing with pantene volume shampoo and conditioner then I switched to their 2 in 1. I would wash, towel dry and put up in a bun and keep it moving; nothing else would I apply to my hair. My thought was "well im not putting any chemicals in my hair so im good" well in the last few weeks I have learned I was wrong. So with all this said I have been researching thru the care of my girls hair which landed me here to learn about my own hair care.

So I have since swithced to sulfate free and paraben free shampoo Dr Miracle I've been using this for about 3 days now and I like it so far along with the leave in conditioner. I see that my hair feels softer and doest look as dry but I've just started on this journey. I see that many have had to experiment until a regimen that works for you is found, so I'm sure that will be the same for me. I workout everyday and have oily scalp but I see that most don't wash every day. So below I have some questions and any help is much appreciated.

1. With oily scalp and working out everyday how often should I be washing my hair? I usually wash everyday or every other day.

2. I don't wrap my hair I pretty much lay on my curls so how do you get the bounce back the next day if you don't wash your hair and what products are used in this case?

3. I came across a thread on this forum that said a protein treatment is good to do, how often should this be done?

4. I've seen where its suggested to seal the hair after using a leave in conditioner with aloe Vera or some sort of oil, is this something I should be doing? oils make my hair even oiler.

5. Since my hair is low porosity how often should I do some porosity care?
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:13 AM   #2
 
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1. With oily scalp and working out everyday how often should I be washing my hair? I usually wash everyday or every other day.
If you were able to do this before there's no reason you can't do it with CG. you can try to stretch it longer if you want but it's not a requirement by any means, do what works best for you.

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2. I don't wrap my hair I pretty much lay on my curls so how do you get the bounce back the next day if you don't wash your hair and what products are used in this case?
Haven't really figured this out myself, my wave is loose so I've been experimenting with stylers but if I can find a way to get decent wave without them I will. My second day hair is usually fairly straight but certainly wearable so I just comb it a bit or put t in a bun for awhile if its frizzy. I'm sure other wavies can help, wading through all this info can be frustrating but its worth it to pick a forum, go back a few pages and then work your way forward. I learned a ton just doing that.

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3. I came across a thread on this forum that said a protein treatment is good to do, how often should this be done?
My hair props are similar to yours and I have never gotten the hard hair described by others from protein. At this point I am using a PT as my leave-in with good results and my waves are starting to stick around longer. Frequency of PT will depend on your hair, start with once a week and see how it goes. I don't have the time / patience most of the time so I've been using protein in all my products.

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4. I've seen where its suggested to seal the hair after using a leave in conditioner with aloe Vera or some sort of oil, is this something I should be doing? oils make my hair even oiler.
I, and other fine hairs have issues with sealing. I have been applying a drop of grapeseed oil to dry hair and only to the top, frizzy bits. If I do all my hair it goes flat.

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5. Since my hair is low porosity how often should I do some porosity care?
I'm not sure what you mean here, sorry.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:23 AM   #3
 
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1. With oily scalp and working out everyday how often should I be washing my hair? I usually wash everyday or every other day.

Start with washing as little as you can get away with, especially while you regain condition. It will take soe experimenting to see what your hair likes best.

2. I don't wrap my hair I pretty much lay on my curls so how do you get the bounce back the next day if you don't wash your hair and what products are used in this case?

You can pineapple your hair (tie it loosley right on the top of your head) to help preserve curl, also a satin pillowcase or bonnet can help with second day frizz. Second day hair is something to be strived for but some never manage it and you may find it only comes with lots of patience and practice.

3. I came across a thread on this forum that said a protein treatment is good to do, how often should this be done?

Again this differs from person to person, if your hair loves protein you might do one a week, but you will adjust your routine for you.

4. I've seen where its suggested to seal the hair after using a leave in conditioner with aloe Vera or some sort of oil, is this something I should be doing? oils make my hair even oiler.

If oils make your hair oily don't use them. Evertones hair is different and you will need to experiment with a lot if things to find exactly what works for you.



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Old 04-21-2013, 08:02 AM   #4
 
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*following this post*
My hair is super oily too. And right now it's so itchy I can hardly function! Ugh this sucks! We have similar hair properties! I hope to learn more from your post
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Old 04-27-2013, 10:18 PM   #5
 
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My hair is super oily too. And right now it's so itchy I can hardly function! Ugh this sucks! We have similar hair properties! I hope to learn more from your post
Hi AngelicaK. Have you considered maybe trying a different shampoo? I have the EVERCurl conditioner and like it, but I didn't get the shampoo, I'm pretty sure because it has silicones. I wonder if that might be causing your issue of super-oily and itchy. Those problems were familiar to me until I ditched both sulfates AND silicones. A couple years back, I tried to go no-poo, without the full knowledge of what I was doing, so I just started scrubbing my head with a Suave conditioner (probably safe) but, I did not know to purposefully eliminate sulfates or silicones, so I think I had both irritation, and buildup. My hair got SO gross in that experiment, I couldn't go longer than about 10 days. This time around, I had more knowledge, and I started with a Nature's Gate Tea Tree shampoo and a Vo5 conditioner (not conditioning enough, it turns out, but it was a start), and I noticed an immediate difference, both in wave pattern (it increased) and lack of greasy and itchy head, which used to be kind of a normal thing for me.

Just a thought.
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:37 AM   #6
 
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My hair is super oily too. And right now it's so itchy I can hardly function! Ugh this sucks! We have similar hair properties! I hope to learn more from your post
Hi AngelicaK. Have you considered maybe trying a different shampoo? I have the EVERCurl conditioner and like it, but I didn't get the shampoo, I'm pretty sure because it has silicones. I wonder if that might be causing your issue of super-oily and itchy. Those problems were familiar to me until I ditched both sulfates AND silicones. A couple years back, I tried to go no-poo, without the full knowledge of what I was doing, so I just started scrubbing my head with a Suave conditioner (probably safe) but, I did not know to purposefully eliminate sulfates or silicones, so I think I had both irritation, and buildup. My hair got SO gross in that experiment, I couldn't go longer than about 10 days. This time around, I had more knowledge, and I started with a Nature's Gate Tea Tree shampoo and a Vo5 conditioner (not conditioning enough, it turns out, but it was a start), and I noticed an immediate difference, both in wave pattern (it increased) and lack of greasy and itchy head, which used to be kind of a normal thing for me.

Just a thought.
Yeah I'm trying to get natures gate tea tree or trader joes tea tree for my hair
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1. With oily scalp and working out everyday how often should I be washing my hair? I usually wash everyday or every other day.
It's very possible that your scalp is oily because of the sulfate shampoos you've been using. I think my scalp has become less oily since I started cowashing. You should give cowashing a try, but remember that you'll have to stick to it for several weeks. Some report their hair acts up a lot in the beginning (while it's getting used to the new treatment) before it calms down, so you may have to stick it out through that phase. Then again, it may not happen to you. My hair/scalp got instantly better once I switched to cowashing. I never had any weird phase to go through. And since discovering CG my hair is no longer dry!!!!! It's amazing. I thought "dry hair" was a trait, like having brown hair, but apparently it's not.

If you're afraid about going straight to co-washing, then I would suggest switching first to a low-poo.... SheaMoisture Moisture Retention Shampoo is arguably the most popular low-poo. It's supposed to be very gentle. Another thing you can do to increase moisture is to add oil to your shampoo. I add extra virgin coconut oil 50:50 to shampoo and love it!

After your hair and scalp have gotten used to gentler cleansers for a while you can try co-washing. It's not for everyone, but it may work for you. I would highly recommend getting the Curly Girl Handbook which explains cowashing more in depth. Of course, if you're CG, no silicones! Very important! Otherwise silicones will build up in your hair as they will not be washed away by cowashing!

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2. I don't wrap my hair I pretty much lay on my curls so how do you get the bounce back the next day if you don't wash your hair and what products are used in this case?
The pineappling method works for some (putting hair up in a very loose scrunchie so it looks like a pineapple on your head). Other curlies refresh by spraying water on their curls and then scrunching or finger combing/twirling. Some add some more gel or leave-in then. Others will dilute their gel or leave-in in their spray water bottle.

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3. I came across a thread on this forum that said a protein treatment is good to do, how often should this be done?
When staring the CG method, it is very likely that your hair will need both moisture and protein. It is really important to maintain protein/moisture balance, and this will be different for everyone. I would recommend using the search function to search and read more detailed articles and threads about it. Basically protein (this can be keratin, soy, wheat, silk, egg, etc.) adds structure, like cement in a building, while moisture (emollients, oil) add flexibility or bendability. In balanced protein/moisture states, your hair will be the strongest (and often the curliest). If you have too much protein, your hair will feel dry and strawlike and lose curl. If you have too much moisture, your hair will feel mushy, soft and limp and often your curls will droop.

Since you're starting out, you'll probably find your hair needs both. Some easy DTs (deep moisture treatments) that you can do are with coconut oil, or olive oil, or olive/oil honey. Some easy PTs (protein treatments) would be egg treatment (eggs mixed w/ a little olive oil or mayo) and IAgirl's gelatin recipe. Of course you can buy protein treatments and deep conditioning treatments, but these examples may be in your pantry and are cheap. This site has tons of recipes for PT's and DT's (and gel!) galore so you won't be deprived!

You can start incorporating both PTs and DTs, until you feel you have a balance. There's no one way to do it. Some curlies LOVE protein, and use rinse out conditioners and styling products w/ protein and do regular PTs (maybe even weekly). Other curlies are protein sensitive, and must avoid protein in styling products and conditioners. They may only need to do a PT once a month, or even less. I can't tell you what your hair will need... but listen to it and you'll figure out the balance.

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4. I've seen where its suggested to seal the hair after using a leave in conditioner with aloe Vera or some sort of oil, is this something I should be doing? oils make my hair even oiler.
Many curlies find that layering products is best. So a leave-in conditioner or curl cream is followed by a gel and then sealed with an oil. Some seal after the leave-in/curl cream and then add gel. Really the sky's the limit. Some do leave-in conditioner only styling. Others mix gels, or add a harder hold gel on top of a softer hold gel base.

You get the idea, you have to do what's best for you! Generally a sealer is an oil. I don't think aloe vera gel is a sealer. Silicones are also a sealer, but if you're cowashing you can't use those.

If oils don't agree w/ your hair (and I believe curlies w/ low porosity often have issues w/ oil) then don't use them, or look for lighter oils like almond or apricot kernel oil. I'm not low-porosity though and not the best-advice giver on this issue... you should ask this question in the low-porosity section or look around the site for curlies with low porosity and see what they're doing. Also, you may not need to seal.

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5. Since my hair is low porosity how often should I do some porosity care?
I'm not sure what you mean by porosity care. Like protein treatments? All hair gets the same kind of care, it's just that you may need different products and different amounts of say protein to get your hair to look its best.
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I forgot to add, if you're switching to gentler cleansers and/or cowashing, you can wash as often as you need.

When I was using low-poos, I couldn't have washed every day... it would have dried out my hair. Now that I'm cowashing I probably could cowash every day, but I don't need to so I do it every third day.

Another thing you could do is mix it up between cowashing and low-pooing, like cowash 2x in a row and then low-poo. Low-pooing every day may be drying, but do whatever works for you!
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Old 04-29-2013, 05:05 PM   #9
 
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Thank you so much for this information...I have been taking notes and trying to get a feel for what works for me. I'm looking forward to posting my results as time goes on.
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My skin and hair became less oily overnight when I quit sulphate surfactants/ all shampoo and went to conditioner only washing. Others find it takes some weeks for their skin to rebalance, sulphates are a powerful irritant known to damage the skin's barrier function and sebum is one method by which the skin tries to protect itself.

Sweat can be removed with water only, the salts are water soluble. I also use Batiste dry shampoo for roots on in between days, spray loads on my hairline and gently wipe away the excess with a microfibre towel.
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I'm new on here and there is are a few questions I have but I don't know how to open a new thread to begin one. Any advice?


Plus my hair is 3b/3c/4a type hair and I have always had low porosity hair. Ive been natural for 6yrs, yes 6yrs with no length to speak of, no healthy strands either. Since I've been researching I see that I haven't been taking care of my hair properly. But on top of have low porosity hair I'm trying to see how to tie it all together to get healthy hair. And while I'm trying to figure out what to do with mine, I'm also trying to figure what to do with my oldest girl. How old does she need to be to test her porosity level?
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I'm new on here and there is are a few questions I have but I don't know how to open a new thread to begin one. Any advice?

Plus my hair is 3b/3c/4a type hair and I have always had low porosity hair. Ive been natural for 6yrs, yes 6yrs with no length to speak of, no healthy strands either. Since I've been researching I see that I haven't been taking care of my hair properly. But on top of have low porosity hair I'm trying to see how to tie it all together to get healthy hair. And while I'm trying to figure out what to do with mine, I'm also trying to figure what to do with my oldest girl. How old does she need to be to test her porosity level?
Welcome! There is a 'new thread' button at the top of each board.

Test porosity how? The DIY tests have been debunked, it's best to assess porosity based on hair's behaviour or a hair analysis under a microscope. You could also do with knowing your coarseness and elasticity.
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