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Old 04-27-2013, 08:35 PM   #1
 
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Default ACV rinse--what happened?!

I tried my first ACV rinse today, and the results were not what I expected, and that is to say, not so good. I would like some help from the more experienced (than myself) ladies of this board to figure it out. Here is exactly what I did.

I had not shampooed since last Sat (7 days), but I co-washed most every day in between. My hair was feeling okay but a little smelly from Friday because I was outside a lot, so I was looking forward to a shampoo. It was not oily or greasy, though.

*spritzed hair with water+conditioner (Tresemme Naturals) mix lightly while hanging head over tub
*added about 2 dimes worth of Tresemme Naturals shampoo to length of hair while damp (not dripping).
*got in shower, shampooed with Nature's Gate Tea Tree, rinsed out.
*applied GVP (Joico knockoff) to hair, added shower cap and left on for about 5 minutes
*using this recipe (2 T apple cider vinegar + 2 cups water), I carefully and slowly poured the ACV rinse over my hair after parting down middle. I poured about 1/2 down one side, and the rest down the other side. Let it sit on the hair a minute or 2.
*rinsed out with shower water (tepid).
*squeezed some water out of hair (did not wring or towel) and then toweled myself off so I could get out to finish up the process (I like adding my leave-in and gel while hanging head over tub).

Here's where it got weird. Remember I said I squeezed SOME water out of my hair? I barely touched it, because I like it to be pretty wet, when I add the leave in stuff. So I definitely didn't wring it out. But when I turned my head upside down to do the leave-in conditioner, it felt nearly dry, and straw-like. I know that is the hallmark of over-protiened hair, but I just remember everyone saying their hair was SOFT and SHINY when using ACV.

So, I continued. I had to add water to my hair by cupped handfuls.

*finger-combed through lots of Loreal EVERCurl (which I have successfully used as a leave in the past several washes). Hair still felt straw-like. I added even more conditioner and more hand-fuls of water, because I was getting frizz.
*scrunched in a little Shea Moisture Souffle (which I've used my last 2 stylings, and it's worked nicely)
*scrunched in 2 blobs of LA Looks Blue gel.

I went to then scrunch my hair dry with a t-shirt and it felt different. I'm not sure how. Then I diffused, and got super-crunchy waves (due largely to the gel, of course). I scrunched out the crunch later, and my hair is soft now, mostly. Still, a little straw-like and scratchy. And the frizz doesn't seem better, and I don't see a huge difference in softness. Shine is good (but I don't know if it's more). Today we have had a massive rainstorm, so this has probably interfered some with results, but that is life.

Another thing I noticed during today is a red scalp on the top. Now, it's spring, and this is Texas, and it's possible, if not likely, that I have a sunburn. But I also wonder if I burned my scalp with the ACV. Is this possible? Should I be applying some other way than pouring at the part line and letting it run down the hair length?

I don't even know if I'll try the ACV thing for a while. I was pretty baffled with the results. And I couldn't help thinking, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

Thoughts?
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:51 AM   #2
 
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I have two thoughts on this. First, you don't say you rinsed out the k-pak (I assume this is what you used) before doing the ACV rinse. If that's the case it's possible too much protein was left on for your hair. When I use a protein heavy leave-in I don't flip upside down and I do a quick final rinse, otherwise my hair seems to dry super fast at the scalp making it difficult to distribute products, yet still takes just as long to dry. I'm not sure if the protein makes the water wick away faster or what. If you've used the GVP K-pak before without issue it might have been the lack of rinsing / combo with ACV. I would expect though that you need to do a deep treatment or at least a moisturizing rinse out following your protein treatments in the future.

Second, ACV is a strong acid, even diluted I expect leaving it on for ' a minute or two' is way too long. If you decide to try again, start with maybe 1/2 T per 2 cups water, pour it through, leave it long enough to set your container down and then rinse well in cooler water. You can work your way to stronger dilutions from there but using an acid regularly could damage your hair.
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Old 04-28-2013, 05:03 AM   #3
 
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I think some people do better with it than others. It doesn't bother my hair, but my hair would feel dry if I didn't follow up with letting conditioner sit in it for a while. It's not a protein thing, it's a dryness/acid thing. My understanding is that ACV isn't that moisturizing, or at least I dont understand how much moisture it could bring into the hair. It just does a good job at unroughing up the hair strand and sealing it water. Also, I agree that you probably shouldn't let it sit for very long. I don't think it would burn you, but your skin might be really sensitive. Hopefully the redness will go away.

ETA: ok, I googled it. apparently people do just use ACV as their conditioning agent. That doesn't work for me, I find that it doesn't moisturize enough on its own for me.
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Old 04-28-2013, 06:22 AM   #4
 
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rainboe, I thought you were supposed to use it after the conditioner?
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Yeah, I think I'm actually weird in this regard. It never worked for me as a final rinse, so I use it more to clarify after shampooing.
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You protein treated but didn't deep condition afterwards. Vinegar rinses reset the pH of the hair to it's 'happy place' and close the cuticle, that is why hair usually feels soft and silky afterwards. However it doesn't add moisture and it doesn't remove drying protein residues.

Dilute vinegar really is not too acidic for the hair (pH 4.5), ACV generally < pH 5 but you diluted it with water (pH ~7). Should not burn your scalp either, healthy skin is pH ~5.5.
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You protein treated but didn't deep condition afterwards. Vinegar rinses reset the pH of the hair to it's 'happy place' and close the cuticle, that is why hair usually feels soft and silky afterwards. However it doesn't add moisture and it doesn't remove drying protein residues.

Dilute vinegar really is not too acidic for the hair (pH 4.5), ACV generally < pH 5 but you diluted it with water (pH ~7). Should not burn your scalp either, healthy skin is pH ~5.5.
I realized this morning while I was doing my hair that the GVP product is a protein treatment. I mean, that sounds really dumb, and I knew that it was, but somehow I thought of it more as a deep conditioner. Doh!!

Yes, I did rinse it out along with the ACV after I applied the latter (at least, I assumed they'd both rinse out together), but I realize that I just overdid it with the proteins on Saturday! My shampoo also has protein, perhaps as much as I need, as it is. (My gel might, too, but the stiff dry straw hair started as soon as I rinsed out the ACV and was the reason I had to re-wet while I was putting on my leave-in conditioner).

So, what do y'all recommend for a deep conditioning treatment, since that's what I was actually aiming for (when I used the GVP K-paK)? LOL I feel like such a dummy, but I guess it's bound to happen when one is trying all these different products and changing one's approach to hair care and styling!

Thankfully it doesn't seem like the damage will be long-lasting. I co-washed today, and while my hair isn't as frizz-free as I'd like, it's fairly bouncy and soft, and my scalp looks a bit better. Still red, and a bit tight and itchy on top, but as I said originally, it could actually be a sunburn.
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Oh it happened to me b4 when I colored my hair and when I overdosed with protein , let it breathe n easy with potion n u will be fine, and no need for all these products u know chemicals react together, keep it simple
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Try aloe vera for your scalp, good for sunburn and general irritation, humectant for hair.
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Try aloe vera for your scalp, good for sunburn and general irritation, humectant for hair.
You probably don't mean the generic version of aloe vera gel that I have in my bathroom cabinet for sunburn, do you? It's clear gel and has a handful of ingredients. I'm guessing you must mean a hair product with aloe, right?

If you mean that I could try the former, and everyone does it with great success I will try it!
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The GVP version of Matrix Conditioning Balm is extremely moisturizing, and CG. You could certainly use that as a deep treatment.

Yes, the clear aloe gel you have is probably fine to use on your hair too, lots of CGers use it.
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You probably don't mean the generic version of aloe vera gel that I have in my bathroom cabinet for sunburn, do you? It's clear gel and has a handful of ingredients. I'm guessing you must mean a hair product with aloe, right?

If you mean that I could try the former, and everyone does it with great success I will try it!
Yes the 'skin' gel in your cabinet providing it's a decent quality one with a high percentage of AV and not loads of additives (some additives are needed to stabilise the formula and make a gel texture).
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What brand of Apple Cider Vinger did you buy?
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You could do a simple olive oil and honey recipe as a DT. I wouldn't use just any aloe vera gel on my hair. Most curlies use FOTE (Fruit of the Earth) avg, which I believe is food-grade. I think a lot of brands of aloe vera gel meant for sunburn have a lot of nasty crap in it.... I don't know if the one you have would work.
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What brand of Apple Cider Vinger did you buy?
It was just simply Kroger brand ACV, something I have left over. (upon closer inspection, I see that it was quite expired, so i decided to just use it on weeds on my driveway this weekend I did buy some Bragg's ACV so maybe if I get brave again to do it, I will use that.
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You could do a simple olive oil and honey recipe as a DT. I wouldn't use just any aloe vera gel on my hair. Most curlies use FOTE (Fruit of the Earth) avg, which I believe is food-grade. I think a lot of brands of aloe vera gel meant for sunburn have a lot of nasty crap in it.... I don't know if the one you have would work.
Thanks, I will consider trying the olive oil and honey recipe.
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