New to CG, some questions

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Hi. I'm a mature wavy. My hair is very coarse & thick, salt & pepper, frizzy & dry, and I keep it below my shoulders. I tend to get big hair. It typically grows out rather than down. I used sulfates/cones forever, but I'm definitely a wash and wear girl and don't do any styling besides putting product in and letting it dry.

My goal is to get my hair healthier. With the long grey waves, I think I need to get the frizz under control. I got my first dry cut last Friday, and since then I've done one last sulfate shampoo followed by 1 deep conditioning, nothing, a co-wash, and a no poo wash on successive days. I attached two photos from yesterday. that's what my hair does with air drying - it's definitely curlier than before.

Why is my scalp so oily? It's not like I've gone so long without washing my hair - it's only been 4 days since my last sulfate shampoo and since yesterday I feel like my hairline is dripping with oil. Will this go away? I'm tried to really massage my scalp when I'm co-washing or using no poo to get it clean. Also, because my hair is so dense, I have trouble getting product to my scalp in the shower.

My stylist sold me very heavy products and I think that's fine for now with my hair type. Over time I'll move to lighter ones. Could this be causing the oil? I've always had a normal scalp and dry hair.

I like the curl in my hair, but right now it seems like my scalp and hair felt better when I was using the non-CG products. My scalp is oilier and my hair feels drier. Please tell me that this is normal and over time my hair will get better!

Thanks.
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Your hair is beautiful! The overly oily scalp is probably temporary. Some people when they first start the CG method experience this. Keep doing what you're doing for a good 30 days to give it a good shot! You'll see an improvement in the health of your hair in no time. If your scalp continues to overproduce oil, you could increase the low poo schedule to a few times a week to see if that helps.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thanks! OK, I'll be patient. I'll give it a month and use the no poo when I need it.

What's the difference between no poo and low poo anyway?
No poo has no lather and is basically a "cleansing conditioner". Low poos generally lather a little bit, but have no "harsh" surfactants like lauryl/laureth sulfates, but do have more cleansers than most conditioners.

Both are perfectly acceptable if using the "Curly Girl" method.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thanks. So another alternative would be for me to switch from no poo to low poo if this doesn't seem to be cleansing enough for me.

I may do it once this bottle is done. It's hard for products to penetrate to my scalp (perhaps a sign of low porosity? it does take a while for my hair to get wet, but I always attributed that to bulk + frizz) so some lather might make it easier.
It'll get better. OMG your hair is going to be SO awesome!!!!! It's already pretty. Just wait. You be over the moon!!!!
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Thanks. So another alternative would be for me to switch from no poo to low poo if this doesn't seem to be cleansing enough for me.

I may do it once this bottle is done. It's hard for products to penetrate to my scalp (perhaps a sign of low porosity? it does take a while for my hair to get wet, but I always attributed that to bulk + frizz) so some lather might make it easier.
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
It does sound like you may be low porosity- difficult to wet, and takes a long time to dry.

Yes, low poo is definitely an option if the no poo (or co-wash) thing isn't working for you.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
Thanks!

Yes, it takes forever for my hair to dry. I washed it at 8:30 this morning and 5.5 hours later it's still damp inside my densest section. The product makes it slower, of course.
I can't see you signature, but what products are you using?
Fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity. Dyed to brown a few months ago.
Lowpoo:
Trader Joe's TTT Shampoo
Rinse Out:
Yes to Carrots, AOHR, Aubrey Organics Rosemary Peppermint
LI: Yes to Carrots
Stylers: Shea Moisture Curl Enhancing Smoothie, LA Looks Sports, Suave Professionals Captivating Curls Whipped Mousse
No sig yet. I told the stylist to just sell me some products she thought would work to get me started, figuring I would take some time to research what's best for me. She wanted to keep things simple for me since I'm style-impaired and was confused by the whole new process. (lol)

Also, she suggested these knowing they're heavy (which my hair can take - I have the opposite problem) and that I would likely go lighter once my hair was healthier.

So:
Co-wash, conditioner, deep conditioner, leave-in: Matrix Total Results Deep Cream Mask
Styling: Sojourn Texture Molding Paste
No poo: Deva No-Poo

The Total Results is heavy, but I think I like it for my hair. I'll likely buy a cheaper one for co-washing (the Suave Naturals looks good).

The Sojourn is too pasty for me. It makes my hair look good, but I don't love the feel of it. I'll use it up, and then probably switch to a gel. I've always had the best luck with gels, although I don't know if no-cone gels have the same feel as cone-gels.

I mentioned the No Poo. A Low Poo would probably be better for me.

I'll use up what I have - it was way too much money to do anything else. I'll spend that time researching and figuring out what to try next.
Do you plop? Might help curl and dry time.
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I apply my product upside down, flip my hair over, and blot with a t shirt. I haven't tried plopping.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
If you prefer a gel (I don't like those waxy pastes either), there are lots of them that are silicone free. You could pick up a cheapie at the drug store, or possibly something you already have is CG friendly!
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
As far as getting co wash or low poo to your scalp, have you tried washing upside down? I have thick hair, and I'll soak it in the shower, put conditioner on my finger tips, flip my head over while bending at the waist, and scrub my scalp. If I try to wash upright, I end up missing spots and wind up greasy.
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Yeah, but I still find it hard with no lather.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Sulphates are known irritants, they thin the skin barrier and can cause it to pump out more oil to protect itself, this can subside immediately or can take some weeks. In the mean time you might choose gentle/ neutral products: no fragrances, irritant preservatives, not too many needless plant extracts.

Damaged hair tends not to be low porosity, might just be that your hair is very thick/ dense that makes you think it is. Mine takes hours to dry with product on yet I know it is porous (colour treated, mechanically damaged, product vampire). Might be worth having a hair analysis from Komaza Care or Live Curly Live Free depending on budget and how much detail you want (Komaza is very detailed will recommend products which takes a lot of the effort out, LCLF is much cheaper but generic).

Shampoo lather doesn't make a product cleanse, lather is there largely to make us think it is cleansing. I use a super cheap conditioner (Inecto coconut), piles of it, wash upside down, massage until I do actually build up a lather, rinse until my hair squeaks. I don't expect my cleansing product to condition, just not strip my damaged hair or irritate my scalp. I can get a heavy coconut oiling off with Inecto.

Are you saying you are using the Matrix mask for co-washing? Looking at the ingredients it doesn't seem to contain much in the way of cationic surfactants which are the cleansing ingredients in a good co-wash product. Doesn't honestly look like a suitable co-wash for an oily scalp at all, would be better for dry hair and dry scalp. Not much in there to penetrate the hair as an intensive either, you might consider coconut oil and/ or hydrolysed protein treatments which are both beneficial for damaged hair.

If you like the Matrix mask for your lengths, you might try a modified version of condition-wash-condition - wet your hair, coat the lengths in heavy conditioner and massage a little, then use a light/ cheap co-wash like Suave or Inecto at the scalp then rinse the whole lot out and condition again if you wish.

You can also try cold scalp rinses before you wash to stimulate the sebaceous glands to dump their contents. Or making up a nozzle bottle of half co wash and half water and directing the product right at your scalp, or even roughly sectioning your hair to apply.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
My scalp isn't normally oily and my hair hasn't been damaged beyond using sulfate shampoos. I use no heat or chemicals. My hair is quite dry, though.

More after I digest the rest of the information in your response...
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285

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