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Old 06-03-2013, 01:33 PM   #1
 
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Default Any 2's Who Use Cones With Good Results?

I am at my wit's end with trying to go CG and wondering if maybe I should give cones another try.

A little background: I live in a high dew point/humidity area and it's hard to control my frizz. I think I have misdiagnosed myself in the past at a highly porous curly. Instead, I'm thinking I am more low porosity.

I'm trying to avoid glycerin since that is going to attract the humidity and cause more frizz, but what do other 2's think about cones? I know some curlies use cones with better results than CG, so I wanted some feedback!
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:58 PM   #2
 
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I have been CG for 6 months, after about 4 months I had a big night out so I decided to use my old curly stuff with cones in as I felt it gave me more consistent curls and I didn't want to risk them looking mess for my night out! The results weren't great (as I'd remembered) just average.

I did it again at the weekend (stayed at a friends and had no alternative but to use her stuff!). Curls were even worse this time!

I've decided my curls have transformed slowly due to CG and I've not noticed until I used cones! Although I don't think I had any benefits from CG until I got my routine & products right...
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:01 PM   #3
 
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Although I don't think I had any benefits from CG until I got my routine & products right...
That's why I'm thinking if I use cones it won't be that big of a deal. I haven't even made it full CG with flawless results and half the time I make it a couple of week and have to shampoo all the product out of my hair anyway. Glad to see that CG worked for you though!
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:13 PM   #4
 
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I use some cones, and just use a low poo with coco betaine every wash. I don't seem to have build-up issues. The new PT I really like has 3 cones in it.
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:15 PM   #5
 
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I say do what ur hair likes! Maybe think about using limited cones and use NC for all the other tips & tricks!

In phased in CG - substituting one product at a time. I tried full CG but couldn't cope with gross hair! It took longer but worth it and less stress!

Went CG with conditioner first, then styling products (one at a time!), and went low poo last...

Good luck with whatever give you great hair!
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #6
 
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I think I had more consistent good hair days before I was stressing so much about cones and trying to only co-wash. I think my hair needs a good shampoo was (sulfate free) every so often and it's not that drying since I only wash about 3 times a week.

I'm just willing to try anything right now if I will have some consistent good hair days lol I'm looking at some of the Herbal Essences products right now. I have plenty of conditioners at home, but I'm such a conditioner junkie! I always want to try new ones.
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Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
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LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
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Old 06-03-2013, 02:45 PM   #7
 
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I think I had more consistent hair pre-CG, which makes perfect sense. I think the cones mask a lot of issues, both in terms of your hair and the weather. I also think I'm much more focused on my hair now. Before I might have thought "it's humid, my hair is frizzy, better put it up". Now I think "my hair is frizzy, my products aren't working, what am I doing wrong?"

I still haven't found the right products for my hair, but I'm only a few weeks into this. I think I need to do a hair analysis to at least get me started in the right direction. I think I'm higher porosity due to my gray, but I don't really know. I'm going to keep trying because I've had a couple of really good hair days since starting CG. I've also had some really bad ones (ponytailling it today!)
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:28 PM   #8
 
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I have to admit that shopping for hair products today was so much easier not trying to decipher everything for silicone. I avoided glycerin and settled on the Aussie 3 Minute Mask for a DT and HETT for a mousse. I'm sticking with SN Coconut and switching my LI back to GF Sleek and Shine. HE SMU for gel. It's hard to find glycerin free gel!

Some of those may still be CG but I'm still going to low-poo with a sulfate free shampoo. Excited and hopeful about this routine!!
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Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
CO/RO: SN Coconut
LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Pomade: BedHead Manipulator
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Old 06-03-2013, 04:39 PM   #9
 
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It the GF CG or not?
I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes.
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Old 06-03-2013, 05:21 PM   #10
 
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I felt this way until a couple weeks into REALLY losing all the cones. And I have seen results. I use a couple of things periodically with cones. One is the Orgamix coconut spray oil. But that's mostly on my crown or bangs where I don't curl anyway. And I have recently used HETT curl creme which while having a water soluble cone Also has dimethyconal which is not so soluble. However it works great and what I have under it is cg. Also I low poo more frequently than most and occasionally do a "reset" clarify. Sometimes you just have to try stuff.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:02 PM   #11
 
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Cones make my hair flat.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:23 PM   #12
 
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It the GF CG or not?
I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes.
GF has a water soluble cone I believe. Amodimethicone is water soluble. Protein and glycerin free. So you could still use it CG I think?
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Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
CO/RO: SN Coconut
LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Pomade: BedHead Manipulator
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:11 PM   #13
 
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It the GF CG or not?
I'm looking forward to hearing how it goes.
GF has a water soluble cone I believe. Amodimethicone is water soluble. Protein and glycerin free. So you could still use it CG I think?
Amodimethicone is not water soluble. However, it does not build up the way that some other silicones do. The first time it's used it will deposit a very fine layer, but will then repel itself from depositing any additional layers. That's one of the reasons it seems to be one of the more easily tolerated silicones. It's also the best cone for reducing the appearance of split ends.
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Old 06-03-2013, 08:54 PM   #14
 
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Amodimethicone is not water soluble. However, it does not build up the way that some other silicones do. The first time it's used it will deposit a very fine layer, but will then repel itself from depositing any additional layers. That's one of the reasons it seems to be one of the more easily tolerated silicones. It's also the best cone for reducing the appearance of split ends.
ahhh sorry! Thanks for setting me straight. I knew that amodimethicone was okay to use I just didn't know why haha
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Routine currently undergoing maintenance.
Low-Poo: PM Wild Ginger Awapuhi
CO/RO: SN Coconut
LI: GR Sleek & Shine
Mousse: HETT
Gel: HE Set Me Up
Pomade: BedHead Manipulator
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Amodimethicone is not water soluble. However, it does not build up the way that some other silicones do. The first time it's used it will deposit a very fine layer, but will then repel itself from depositing any additional layers. That's one of the reasons it seems to be one of the more easily tolerated silicones. It's also the best cone for reducing the appearance of split ends.
ahhh sorry! Thanks for setting me straight. I knew that amodimethicone was okay to use I just didn't know why haha
It's a lot to keep track of. And it doesn't help that there are articles out there that talk about amodimethicone being water dispersible in the presence of certain other ingredients- water dispersible refers to the ingredient in the bottle, and doesn't change how the amodimethicone acts once it's dried on hair.
The other weird cone category is cyclo-cones. Cyclo-cones also do not build up. They are actually designed to help distribute ingredients and then evaporate during the drying process. So they can be used even with straight co-washing. The only downside is that some people might notice some increased dryness in their hair (I personally have never had an issue with this).
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Back when I used to live in FL and slather cones. I was all about that Frizz-Ease stuff... cones in my conditioner, in the serum (the "extra-strength" version). Looking back, my hair never looked that bad A bit frizzy but I used to get compliments and it was definitely consistent and much lower-maintenance than CG, which is probably why cones are so popular in the first place. But I tried them again recently after being CG and they pull out my wave. Also, the stuff I tried (Bodyshop Grapeseed serum) wasn't enough to battle really high dews... if anything they would've only worked as a sealer, to seal in the CG stuff underneath.

I am NOT about the harsh poos though. Sulfates and even some harsher non-sulfate surfactants wreak havoc on my scalp and dry out my hair. No bueno.
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