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Old 06-07-2013, 11:10 PM   #1
 
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Default Aloe Vera and drying feeling?

So last night I co-washed with suave natural coconut conditioner and then used some cure care as my rinse out. After my hair was really nice and soft, very easy to comb, so I decided to deal using aloe vera gel, since I've heard its a good sealer and I have fine hair that's easy to weigh down. As soon as I put it on my hair felt much drier. Is this normal? I used plain fruit of the earth gel...

Does anyone else get this feeling? Does this mean my hair doesn't like it? Any ideas of other things I could use to seal that are light enough? My hair is pretty porous, especially my ends.

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Old 06-08-2013, 03:12 AM   #2
 
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Are you protein sensitive? Because I know suave coconut has protein and I heard aloe has protein too. Anyways, I didn't know aloe was a sealer. I read it was just used for moisture or a humectant or something, not a sealer. Usually sealers are antihumectants like oil or butters.
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:02 AM   #3
 
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Aloe is a light humectant and a moisturizer, that's why it's so good for burns.

To my knowledge aloe gel/juice does not contain protein and there are only amino acids in the Suave, I doubt enough to cause anyone an issue.

I have also seen posts about aloe gel as a sealer but since its not an oil I wouldn't expect it to be any better at sealing than a regular hair gel.

FOTE is not 'plain' aloe gel, it contains lots of preservatives and additives, if you want 100% aloe gel you'll probably have to get it from a health food store or online and read the ingredients.

The drying you mention is sometimes called flash drying, I and others have experienced this from other natural gels/jellies (KCCC) it may be the aloe or certain extracts, idk. For me, my hair seems to go from dripping to just damp after applying certain jellies and I have to rewet a bit to form clumps, etc. I still manage to use some of these products without too much trouble, I just have to work around it.

Your best bet for sealing ideas is to stalk other fine, high-po curlies (like jas76 & houseofcurls, not sure I spelled those right). I have heard grapeseed oil is light, I think there's an article about heavy/light oils too.

You could try sealing only your ends. If you are getting frizz throughout your hair you might check your LI and stylers for glycerin and/or try upping your protein.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:52 AM   #4
 
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Aloe vera gel is not a sealer nor does it contain protein, it is a humectant and film former. Used alone it can very easily dehydrate skin or hair, often needs to be combined with or layered over a leave in conditioner rich in emollients or oils.

You definitely should be using a rich leave in for porous hair, it generally needs a balance of humectants with oils and proteins. There is a difference between rich and heavy, heavy products to me contain a lot of butters and fatty alcohols, rich ones are more cationic surfactants, humectants and light oils. I rate Komaza Care products, they use all sorts of ingredients that can patch repair damaged hair - ceramides, panthenol, coconut oil, hydrolysed protein - and are an appropriate acidic pH for skin and hair.
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:21 PM   #5
 
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Yes, it's definitely a flash drying effect!

I'm not protein sensitive at all, in fact my hair loves protein as its baby fine. But it also tangles easily, gets dried out easily and also quick to get weighed down and over moisturized. It's really hard to find a balance!

I'm tired of spending so much time detangling and also being unhappy with my hair in general. My hair is high porosity, so I'm trying to find a way to seal in the moisture because it dries out so quickly. I'll look into the komaza products. I have SM curl and shine milk, but it's really too greasy for my hair. I'm not really using any hair products right now. I'm kind of conditioner styling, but then I spritz with ouidad botanical spray to enhance the wave after its dried since the products seem to weigh my hair down if I'm not diffusing and if I diffuse and use products I get tangles galore and frizz which makes it really hard to get more than 2 days out f my hair and then I end up spending 15 minutes detangling.

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Yes, I also get the flash drying effect both from KCCC and Kiss My Face Upper Management gel which have aloe. I hate the feeling. It kind of tangles my hair and leaves it feeling kinda gunky?
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Yes, it's definitely a flash drying effect!

I'm not protein sensitive at all, in fact my hair loves protein as its baby fine. But it also tangles easily, gets dried out easily and also quick to get weighed down and over moisturized. It's really hard to find a balance!

I'm tired of spending so much time detangling and also being unhappy with my hair in general. My hair is high porosity, so I'm trying to find a way to seal in the moisture because it dries out so quickly. I'll look into the komaza products. I have SM curl and shine milk, but it's really too greasy for my hair. I'm not really using any hair products right now. I'm kind of conditioner styling, but then I spritz with ouidad botanical spray to enhance the wave after its dried since the products seem to weigh my hair down if I'm not diffusing and if I diffuse and use products I get tangles galore and frizz which makes it really hard to get more than 2 days out f my hair and then I end up spending 15 minutes detangling.

Thanks for the replies! : )
Maybe try coconut oil as a pre-wash/ overnight deep treatment? That way you get maximum absorption but can cleanse off the excess: I find this also works well for reducing tangling. Coconut oil will seal out excess moisture by reducing porosity and increasing elasticity, help protect from protein loss (damage) during washing and colouring. Are you religiously protecting your hair from sunlight damage?

Conditioner only styling is can easily weigh the hair down, you will be piling on fatty alcohols. Are you confusing over conditioned with simply using too much product or it building up? Are you considering your dew points/ humidity when you choose products? For example glycerin can increase tangling if used in the wrong climate, too much protein in general can dry out hair.

Some of the best ingredients for detangling are the behentrimoniums (cationic surfactants) and they are 'lighter' than fatty alcohols. Products around pH 4.5 will encourage the cuticle to lie flat and may reduce tangles.

Lastly do you need a good trim? That can make a huge difference to knotting, since damaged ends can more easily snarl up with and damage healthier hair. Some people do need to wash more frequently in order to detangle tho.
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Unfortunately, my hair has always been very prone to tangle, even when I was a kid and my hair was virgin. Although my mom believed that because my hair was fine I shouldn't use conditioner, so I am sure my hair was very dry.

I use a lot of protein in my hair, so it's not over moisturized right now. I get great hair if I diffuse and use product on day one, and sometimes I can get day 2 hair, but by day 3 it's tangled and frizzy, very dry too. If I use product, but don't diffuse, it's flat, the waves look really limp (I have a very weak wave pattern), but I can get more days out of it, because there is no frizz and it doesn't tangle as much, maybe because the diffusing dries it out? Without product, it's got nice volume, just lacks definition, so I spritz it to enhance the wave after dry.

When I conditioner style, basically I'm using something protein rich, but also moisturizing as leave in, if anything (can usually tell out of the shower if my hair needs anything more). My ends dry in about 5 minutes out of the shower! Sometimes I seal with JCNS (just a tiny scrunched in). I've found deva one C gives my hair too much moisture, but I need something that will help me dangle without weighing it down. Any suggestions?

You may be right that I just may not be able to get more than 2 days out of my hair without it tangling badly. That is when using no products comes in nicely, because I can comb out my hair each day (I only have 2a waves) which really helps. : )

Thank you for your reply. I looked and it appears as if komaza can only be purchased online?? Is this right?
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:16 AM   #9
 
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Here are a few pics...excuse the faces and lack of make up lol.

1st is air dry with product.
2nd is air dry, no product.
Last is diffuse. Obviously, diffused looks best, but having to do it every day or every other day is time consuming!



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Unfortunately, my hair has always been very prone to tangle, even when I was a kid and my hair was virgin. Although my mom believed that because my hair was fine I shouldn't use conditioner, so I am sure my hair was very dry.

I use a lot of protein in my hair, so it's not over moisturized right now. I get great hair if I diffuse and use product on day one, and sometimes I can get day 2 hair, but by day 3 it's tangled and frizzy, very dry too. If I use product, but don't diffuse, it's flat, the waves look really limp (I have a very weak wave pattern), but I can get more days out of it, because there is no frizz and it doesn't tangle as much, maybe because the diffusing dries it out? Without product, it's got nice volume, just lacks definition, so I spritz it to enhance the wave after dry.

When I conditioner style, basically I'm using something protein rich, but also moisturizing as leave in, if anything (can usually tell out of the shower if my hair needs anything more). My ends dry in about 5 minutes out of the shower! Sometimes I seal with JCNS (just a tiny scrunched in). I've found deva one C gives my hair too much moisture, but I need something that will help me dangle without weighing it down. Any suggestions?

You may be right that I just may not be able to get more than 2 days out of my hair without it tangling badly. That is when using no products comes in nicely, because I can comb out my hair each day (I only have 2a waves) which really helps. : )

Thank you for your reply. I looked and it appears as if komaza can only be purchased online?? Is this right?
You comb your hair daily? That won't help curls, your hair does what you train it to do as well as what you were born with.

Five minutes out of the shower, ie. from dripping to dry? Does that mean you don't need to plop or scrunch out water with a towel? I'm confused, so why do you say diffusing is time consuming? Also are you diffusing to fully or partially dry?

I think Komaza Care in in a few stores but no idea if local to you, there is a stockists list on their Facebook. Whilst you are over on Facebook you might join the Wavy Hair Community, we have a few ladies in the group with fine waves who might be able to suggest other products, say a detangling spray or milk? Komaza do a few conditioner sprays at pH 4.5 but I haven't used any of them so can't tell you if they are good for tangles. Kinky Curly Knot Today is well liked and very lightweight I believe.


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Here are a few pics...excuse the faces and lack of make up lol.

1st is air dry with product.
2nd is air dry, no product.
Last is diffuse. Obviously, diffused looks best, but having to do it every day or every other day is time consuming!

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I don't think you are 2a, you would not be able to get that much curl with a diffuser if you were. How do you get on with epsom salts/ magnesium sulphate? Have you tried scrunch and pump for everything, even your wash out conditioner? What about clipping?
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Old 06-09-2013, 01:18 PM   #11
 
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When I don't use product the ends dry really quickly, in fact all of my hair will be dry in 40 min to 1 hour. Diffusing takes about 15 minutes, to get the volume and definition with diffusing it takes about that long. I realize for some, that's not a lot of time, lol, but with the 10-15 minute dangling and 5 minutes for product application + 5 minutes plopping I'm looking at about 40 minutes minimum! When I don't use products, I spend about 15 minutes total on my hair, if it's a wash day. Of course, it doesn't look as nice! Lol. I only comb if I don't use product, can't if I do use product, as its much wavier.

My hair loves Epsom salt! Definitely enhances my wave. My hair also loves humidity, it waves up with no product and holds decent from what I remember. I live in alaska tho, so it's fairly dry and cold.

Without product and diffusing, my hair is barely wavy, which is why I have always considered it 2a. : )

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Old 06-09-2013, 01:20 PM   #12
 
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I have not heard of scrunch and pump, will definitely try that! I do scrunch like crazy though!

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Old 06-09-2013, 01:46 PM   #13
 
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I'd really like to find a way to air dry my hair, with product, in a way that it doesn't look so flat and my waves don't look so stringy. I tried scrunch and pump with my condish, held my hair while rinsing with cold water upside down, scrunched in leave in while really wet, then scrunched in just a little grape seed oil, scrunched in SSCEJ, then used moroccan curl mousse (this really enhances my wave), topped with SSFHG. I feel like I used way too much product and its going to weigh it down, but we'll see. I did it all with dripping wet hair, then scrunched with a microfiber towel. It's in a plop now.

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