I thought I was a 3 but..

ok so it doesn't really matter.. but I am wondering which is more likely: has my hair changed over the years? Or is this hair just not bouncing back from a year of straightening? This pic is of one of my curliest days so far.. day 1! I've had not so good hair days since - they're fine just not great. My hair feels good, my scalp is excellent (used to be so irritated all the time), and I'm experimenting with different things.

I do really need a cut so that it doesn't make a triangle shape. My hair lady is good at doing what I ask, but thinks this curly stuff is like voodoo or something. She thinks I'm crazy. I'd have a 2 hour drive to the nearest curl expert. Any advice on a good cut? The shorter my hair is, the less curl I get, so I want something that will grow out nicely but in the meantime will still be cute..

I would have her put in a few layers starting around ear level. That should grow out nicely. Your hair is really pretty. If she is willing to listen and work with you I would stick with her! Bring your own products and maybe show her your technique if she is willing to learn. Good luck. Remember your hair will most likely freak out for a few days after the trim. It's normal
Katie
2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
Flat ironing can permanently damage curl pattern, but equally hair can bounce back with the right care. I see 2c, but I also see hair that is dry and nowhere near enough product. What is your full routine at present? Are you basing your product choices on your hair properties?

I would avoid cutting until you are a bit more settled on a routine, if you do get more curl in a few weeks you might not want the same cut. If not IMO long layers at the crown might work. Check out the Curly Girl book Facebook page, there are a ton of photos of curly cuts, show one to your stylist, if she cannot work with that you need a new salon. Also some advice on cutting in the book itself.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Also my hair tends to get curlier the longer it is so that is a possibility too. You might get those 3 curls back
Katie
2C/3a, Medium Texture, Normal porosity, High Density, Normal Elasticity (so says the LCLF Hair analysis)
Co Wash: As I am
RO: Yes To Carrots / Ion
LI: Biotera / Samy Big Curls Defining Cream
Gel: FSG, Volumax (Original and Mega)
Color: Henna
Tools: Diffusing
I am using more product now - but I havent had picture quality results yet.. That was day 1 ... no gel or anything yet. I sent off for a hair analysis but dont have it back yet. I'm waiting for those results before buying any more products or cutting. Actually we had a family picture taken a couple weeks ago - that was a good hair day. As soon as I have that I'll post it .. i had a little more definition and volume that day.
I'm tempted to just give her a copy of the book.. it might be a good investmen for me! lol. SHE has curly hair but straightens it.. she told me that the stuff over her ears (that we cant see) is completely fried. Her daughter has beautiful spirals.. so maybe I can get to her with the whole daughter angle.
My routine right now is: wash with Texture My Way Hydrate Intensive Moisture Softening Shampoo OR Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner.. right now it is every other I don't notice a difference curlwise with either of these - my hair just "feels" cleaner with the shampoo - trying to wean myself off of the shampoo only use it once in awhile.. I need to get used to how my hair should feel - I am used to squeaky clean.

Conditioned with Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed Moisturizing conditioner and used Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner as a leave in which I am leaving MORE of in each time. I add Curly Hair Solutions Curl Keeper to dripping hair and scrunched it in. Then I plop for awhile.. air dry or diffuse if time is a concern. I get much better volume when i diffuse.

Again - waiting to add or try different products until I get my analysis results. Thanks!
I would try a harder hold gel over top of your other products.

3a/f/iii
Modified CG since 11/5/11
CLEANSE: VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Clarifying, DevaCare No-Poo, CHS Treatment Shampoo
RO: DevaCare One Condition, SS Caitlin's Conditioner, Mop Top Daily Conditioner
LI: SS Repairing Protein Treatment, CHS Silk Leave-In
STYLE: Re:Coil, Curl Keeper, Deva Ultra Defining Gel, Curls Rock Amplifier and Strong Hold Mousse, Sweet Curls Elixirs Okra Gel and Hard Hold Gel, SS Curl Enhancing Jelly and Firm Hold Gel
I would try a harder hold gel over top of your other products.
Originally Posted by Corrina777
I know.. I'm getting antsyI have my eye on a couple in curl mart (small town - cant find anything locally) but am waiting on my analysis results. I want to order enough for free shipping. They did send me a couple of samples UR something.. I wasnt terribly impressed with that. it worked nice for my 13 year old son who is curlier than I am. And an Ouidad product that was full of silicones. I passed that one onto a friend who has curls but doesnt care about ingredients.
My routine right now is: wash with Texture My Way Hydrate Intensive Moisture Softening Shampoo OR Curl Junkie Daily Fix Cleansing Conditioner.. right now it is every other I don't notice a difference curlwise with either of these - my hair just "feels" cleaner with the shampoo - trying to wean myself off of the shampoo only use it once in awhile.. I need to get used to how my hair should feel - I am used to squeaky clean.

Conditioned with Darcy's Botanicals Pumpkin Seed Moisturizing conditioner and used Elucence Moisture Balancing Conditioner as a leave in which I am leaving MORE of in each time. I add Curly Hair Solutions Curl Keeper to dripping hair and scrunched it in. Then I plop for awhile.. air dry or diffuse if time is a concern. I get much better volume when i diffuse.

Again - waiting to add or try different products until I get my analysis results. Thanks!
Originally Posted by wheretostart
Squeaky clean is possible from the right conditioner and wash technique, I get that from Inecto and have from another lightweight product (apply loads of product, massage to light lather, little soak, massage whilst rinsing until it 'squeaks'). Maybe take the shampoo out of your shower, then it's not an option.

There is a trade off between clumping/ frizz control and volume. Are you drying until fully or partially dry? Have you tried EVEN MORE conditioner and gel than even now? What happens if you use the Darcy's Botanicals for leave in? I prefer the ingredients given your hair is dry and damaged.

You didn't mention any intensive treatments, are you not doing that? Ingredients good for damaged or porous hair include coconut oil, hydrolysed protein, ceramides, panthenol. For curl boosting coconut oil, honey and magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) but the latter can be drying so don't overuse. You could DIY some stuff from kitchen ingredients for now.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Never used products until I started lurking on nc.com. Your hair looks similar to mine when I started. You probably have a lot more going on at the root.

Here's a link to a thread started by Struttswife, aka Tiffany Anderson, What Should I Tell My Stylist?

Personally, I'd get the cut done ASAP. It's the foundation for everything. The right layering will really help you. Especially since you're probably having to deal with higher dewpoints right now. I've been going to my stylist for 30+ years, as has my straight haired aunt. Neither one of us has ever gotten a bad cut because he knows hair.

The only really good thing about the newer Curly Girl book is the DVD that comes with it. I could never use the copious amount of products that they use, but it shows you how to handle your hair. If you want to invest in reading material, the e-book on the livecurlylivefree website has all of the information in one place.

Good luck on your curly journey.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Thank you! I do have the ebook with the videos.. it is great. I tried CG a few years ago but was trying to do it on the cheap with drug store stuff and never really felt like I was doing my hair any good - my scalp was itchy and my hair felt gooey. I never was confident in my own analysis and gave up. So this time, I bought the book first, then sent my hair off for analysis and chose some popular products from the curlmart store to get me strarted. I am having better luck for sure. I am tempted to have my mom cut it .. she used to be a beautician and cut my hair growing up. She'd be willing to help me cut individual curls .. I dont need cut all over - just shorten up layers on top. The hair on my crown is more fragile then the rest - dry and split so that will work out nicely anyway. The hair underneath is strong and glossy no matter what I do to it. I need to fix my color though - I've got one weird spot where the hilights are wonky.. When I straightened and shellacked it in place I as able to cover it up.

Kathy I have purchased soap from you - its been quite awhile. I don't have access to my way old account on here.. I dont even remember the username, and the email I used is long gone.

Firefox - great advice thanks! I have not tried the pumpkin as a leave in - it is very thick so I havent progressed that far. Today I put much more of the other in as a leave in and my hair is fine. so I'll try the pumpkin next time! I havent tried any intensive treatments - thought I should wait for my results before doing that. But I do have coconut oil honey and epsom salt in the cabinet.. I'll give it a try this week. Thanks!
Are you protecting your hair from the sun by wearing hats and close weave scarves? That might explain why your crown is more damaged. Ditto highlights since it's impossible not to double or triple process some strands, have you considered switching to a roots only colour application?

Don't mix the epsom salts with the coconut and honey, sorry my post was badly worded.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

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