Hi, new here, looking for new product

Hi all - I'm new to the forums and new to the CG methods, but not new to dealing with my wavy locks. I've had wavy hair pretty much my whole life, and like many, gone through various phases of straightening, etc. But, I've been styling wavy almost exclusively for the last 4-5 years. My regimen used to consist of Redken All Soft shampoo and conditioner (every other day), followed by a tiny bit of Curls Rock styling cream. And, my waves were touchable, defined, and healthy for years. Unfortunately, recently Redken changed their conditioner, and it does not work for me anymore. Curls rock isn't great either. So, I'm in experimentation mode.

I'm pretty much a 2b, medium to coarse, medium porosity, and it's dense. My hairdresser recommended Pureology shampoo (sulfate free) and conditioner (has amodimethicone). I've been using it for a few days, but it's still no replacement for my original combination. But, I think I'll stick with it a little while longer. She's a curly stylist, but cuts my hair wet.

Mostly though, I'd love to find a product that is not a hard gel because I don't like the crunch factor. Scrunch out the crunch doesn't work for me because my hair just gets stringy. I like the clumpier waves I get naturally, and they tend to stay without gel, they just need a little definition and frizz control. Any ideas? 10-15 years ago, I had this amazing leave-in spray conditioner that would hydrate and shine my waves, but of course they changed the formula... Why do they do that???

Here are some pics from air-dryed hair, no product.

Wow. That's great with no product. You look like you can do with not a lot of product. Have you tried any if the Jessicurl line? You can buy 2 oz samples and check it out. Your pattern looks strong enough to skip hard gels if that is what you get air dried no product. I'd love to see what Jessicurl confident coils did in you.
Thanks for the rec - I haven't tried that product yet. I'll have to try the samples!

I think part of my problem is my technique for putting on product. Whenever I put it on, my hair doesn't clump well. I tried a different cream I had today, and just smoothed it on, and already my hair was separating. I'm plopping at the moment, so hopefully that helps!
Have you tried the supersoak or a variation. I'm still not getting good clumps but supersoaking in some way or other does seem to help.
Just watched the YouTube video, and I'm doing a modified version right now. So, I'll see how it goes. I'm pretty sure this is what my hair needs. I was just thinking this morning that directly out of the shower, my hair clumps nicely, but then as soon as I apply product - the clumps are gone.
I get more clumps from more leave in conditioner, more gel and more water.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Can you find ingredient lists - old and new - for the Redken products you liked? That might help you figure out what ingredients to look for and avoid.
Can you find ingredient lists - old and new - for the Redken products you liked? That might help you figure out what ingredients to look for and avoid.
Originally Posted by wheretostart
interestingly, the new Redken conditioner has no cones. I'm guessing that is what the main difference is and why my hair no longer responded to it. Using the sulfate shampoo probably meant that my hair needed the cones to tone it down. I guess I could always look for another conditioner with more cones, and continue to use the Redken shampoo. But, I'd rather try to use more curl-friendly products to see if I can enhance my curl/wave. Basically, I'm starting from a clean slate.

What I'm finding most is that I think technique has more power over my hair than product does. Obviously, I'm sure it's a combination, and I'd love to find some good products to use. But, I can easily ruin a good hair day just by the way I apply product!

So, today I plopped, and I did a modified super soaker, and I think that really helped clump it up. I just need to find a good overall product to reduce frizz, promote shine, and help define a bit. I'm looking into Jessicurl, Curl Junkie CCL, and AG recoil, and will probably place an online order sometime in the next few days!

Thanks everyone!
Well your hair looks lovely without any product so it may be very easy to get what you want from a small about of the right product. Kathymack (member on here) has sample sizes of a lot of the popular products for sale.
Thanks! I'll have to look her up for some samples. I stopped at Target today and I saw they had some SheaMoisture stuff. So I got the spray (forget the name at the moment). I'll try it in a couple days. My hair turned out pretty good today, and I just used a teeny bit of Evercreme as a leave-in and some Garnier Fructis curl calm down cream (I didn't have any cone-free cream), then I did a trial super soaker and plopped.

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