new to cg: greasy roots, dry ends

Hi everyone,

I've been creeping through the forum for a few weeks now and have decided to finally post here for some advice.

My curl pattern is somewhere between 2b/2c (waay more curl in the bottom, back layers, I think this is due to less color damage). I have medium thickness, med-high porosity and medium density

My problem is that no matter what I do I just seem to get greasy roots. Co-washing makes my hair extremely greasy and so does just washing/rinsing with water. I've found that a bs/acv rinse works well every once in a while but using it consistently (I wash my hair about twice a week) leaves my hair feeling dry and brittle.

My ends are always dry no matter what. I've been doing coconut oil deep treatments (just at the ends!) and that seems to have helped a bit.

Any product/method suggestions? I really want to enjoy my curls but they're so inconsisten/frizzy/uneven that I find I've been giving up and using a curling iron on them all the time! I could really use some advice!
Are you letting your hair air dry? Or using heat on your hair? To help my dry ends, I use Shea moisture curl enhancing smoothie & it has coconut in it. It has helped keep my ends smooth & moisturized. For greasy roots, I use a sulfate-free shampoo once a week & cowash in between shampooing. This gives my hair the clarification I need while keeping my hair moisturized.
Heat can dry out your hair if you don't use a heat protectant.
There could be 2 things causing the greasiness.

1) When switching from sulfate shampoos to low poo or co-washing, it can take 2-6 weeks for your scalp to adjust and stop overproducing oil.

2) When using low poo, cowashing or just using water, you have to scrub the crap out of your scalp. I mean SCRUB. And you have to do it for a good 2-3 minutes. Sulfate shampoos loosen up all the grime, dead skin, and sebum on their own. With low poos and conditioners, you have to do that work yourself. I also tend to scrub while I'm rinsing my hair too. Once I started doing this, my greasy problem vanished quickly.
Hair Properties: 2A/2B, Medium-fine, Normal porosity, Normal elasticity, Medium density
Low Poo: DevaCare, Yes to Cuc's
Rinse Out: DevaCare One Condition, Yes to Cuc's
Cowash: Suave Naturals Lavender, Yes to Carrots Scalp Conditioner
Curl Cream: AG ReCoil, Organix Moroccan Oil Curl Cream
Gel/Mousse: Sweet Curls Elixirs FSG w/ Mag Sulfate added, Sweet Curls Elixirs hard hold gel, DevaCurl Frizz Free Foam, Aquage Uplifting Foam
Protein: Spiral Solutions Protein Spray for daily use
Hi, first off congrats on being CG. Its the right way to start off. What are the products you are using? Do you have well or hard water? I get oily roots, so I need to low poo with everywash. In my siggy is all my favorite products. If you have hard/well water then you need to clarify your hair. I also do not apply any conditioner/LI or styling product to my root area. Also not to confuse you, but just a FYI. When I first started out CG I thought I had course hair, when I had low porosity actually. my ends were dry and tangled easy, so I tried coconut oil also. At first it seemed like a good idea, til it built up on my hair. My hair felt like dry straw and was very tangley, I could see the water beading up on my hair. So the coconut oil ended up sitting ontop of my hair and created a barrier to my hair, keeping all thing out. So I was starving my hair from thr inside. Once I removed the build up, I was able to restore my hair. So just be careful what you use. Now my friend can put tons of oil in her hair and its never enough. Go figure
Good luck in your journey

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2b/c CG since 8/12
I have low porosity and fine/med texture. Easily weighed down and VERY frizzy crown, with straighter under layers

Low-poo:TJ TTT, CJ GCS
LI/RO/DC: CK Satin Roots,Sevi Pumpkin, SSI Okra reconstructor, CJ SAC,CJ RM
Stylers: AG Recoil, JC SS
Jellies: CK Coil Jam, Okra gel(HG)
Gel: JC CC, Ouidad H&H gel, Ouidad moisture lock gel

Hair loves moisture protein.
MUST Pixie diffuse.

My hair dose NOT like oils, butters or polyquats Or glycerin in high dews

Last edited by shellyRN07swavy; 06-12-2013 at 04:24 PM.
Hi everyone,

I've been creeping through the forum for a few weeks now and have decided to finally post here for some advice.

My curl pattern is somewhere between 2b/2c (waay more curl in the bottom, back layers, I think this is due to less color damage). I have medium thickness, med-high porosity and medium density

My problem is that no matter what I do I just seem to get greasy roots. Co-washing makes my hair extremely greasy and so does just washing/rinsing with water. I've found that a bs/acv rinse works well every once in a while but using it consistently (I wash my hair about twice a week) leaves my hair feeling dry and brittle.

My ends are always dry no matter what. I've been doing coconut oil deep treatments (just at the ends!) and that seems to have helped a bit.

Any product/method suggestions? I really want to enjoy my curls but they're so inconsisten/frizzy/uneven that I find I've been giving up and using a curling iron on them all the time! I could really use some advice!
Originally Posted by KJo
Baking soda is alkaline so damaging to skin and hair, can potentially worsen the greasies as the skin pumps out more sebum to protect itself. Are you greasy right after washing or between washes? If the former it is your product or technique than needs addressing, if the latter could just be your scalp adjusting to not being stripped by harsh shampoos, the skin barrier can take time to repair and calm after you stop abusing it.

I don't agree you necessarily need to scrub with conditioner only washing, I simply use a product that is lightweight, rich in cationic surfactants and loads of it. I do massage whilst rinsing, the whole process I build up a light lather and end up with literally squeaky clean hair. If you prefer you can switch to a super gentle sulphate free shampoo, ideally at pH 4.5 to 5.5 which respects both skin and hair.

Hair is dead so cannot permanently be repaired, patience and a haircut is the key to dry and damaged ends - there is a point where they cannot be salvaged. Coconut oil is great for reducing porosity and can be used almost all over, washes out well with conditioner. Other beneficial ingredients for damage include hydrolysed protein, ceramides and panthenol. Are you considering your hair properties and dew points/ humidity when choosing products? Are you using enough product and applying to dripping wet hair?
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I typically let my hair air dry, although I do get more curls with pixie diffusing I end up with a bit more frizz as well, so I've been doing little bit of both. The Shea moisture smoothie is unavailable in Canada, do you have similar product recommendations? If not I might just have to buy it off Amazon to give it a try.

I tried co-washing for just over two weeks and found I simply couldn't handle the greasiness anymore after that. It didn't seem to be getting better and if anything my hair was just getting really weighed down. I've been using the Hugo Naturals moisturizing coconut shampoo for lo-poo and the Kevin Murphy Angel Rinse conditioner.

I tried my lo 'poo tonight and scrubbed fairly vigorously but I'm still getting greasiness at the crown of my head. The rest of my hair feels/looks better but I still feel a grease when I run my fingers through it.

I do live in a hard water area! My hair actually looks a lot like yours does in your avie, shelly, (less uniform curls and such, but similar), not sure if that makes a difference since I know it's a lot more about texture/properties but I'll give your advice a try! I haven't given my hair the water test, it just feels rough when I run my fingers up the strand and I've done a lot of coloring through the years so I just assumed med-high porosity. Sounds like I might have to double-check thougH!

My hair wasn't getting greasy at all when I was using bs, it started off looking nice/feeling smooth and healthy, it just started to get quite dry and brittle recently. I tried to switch to a lo 'poo and co-washes and it's be constantly greasy for what seems like a month now. It could still be adjusted I suppose

As far as products go I've been using a lightweight mousse applied right out of the shower and then plopping for about 20 minutes before I dyr (air or diffusing). Not sure of the brand right now but it's silver and purple? I was using a gel with more hold but I was only getting medium results so I never really kept it up. I haven't given much though to dew points yet but I live in a very dry area.

I'm considering being more of a leight-weight conditioner, my hair seems to really like the Say Yes to Carrots that I've used in thee past, and give co-washing another try. I'm also thinking about trying to find a product with better hold, I'm still not sold in my mousse. I'll look for some with the ingredients you mentioned Firefox!

Thanks everybody for their advice!
It can take more than two weeks for the scalp to adjust to not being stripped, some wash their hair even daily in the initial stages. Some have improvements the first week, some need to wait for the skin barrier to repair and calm which can take weeks. Baking soda will have further damaged your skin barrier.

I'm still not clear if you are feeling greasy at the crown after co-washing or between washes, if you are feeling greasy right after a low-poo I wonder if you are using bad technique (try washing upside down), not enough product or have build up because you have chosen the wrong products (avoid silicones, polyquats or butters). If you live in a hard water area do a chelating wash and always final rinse with distilled water or a very dilute vinegar solution.

You have not named all your products but the Kevin Murphy conditioner seems heavy on butters (red) which may not be compatible with co-washing or hair that gets weighed down easily. It's also very low on cationic surfactants and fatty alcohols (blue) which condition without building up, and help cleanse in some formulas. Baking soda would probably cut through that, because it can saponify (turn to soap) natural fatty acids. Were you co-washing or conditioning with the Kevin Murphy? If you were co-washing that is definitely the problem, it's completely the wrong type of product.

"Water (Aqua)(Eau), Angelica Archangelica Leaf Extract, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Extract, Theobroma Cacao (Cocoa) Seed Butter, Mangifera Indica (Mango) Seed Butter, Olive PEG-7 Esters, Milk Protein, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Cetrimonium Chloride, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Citric Acid, Vanilla Planifolia Fruit Extract, Citrus Paradisi (Grapefruit) Peel Oil, Citrus Tangerina (Tangerine) Peel Oil, Pelargonium Graveolens (Geranium) Flower Oil, Linalool, Limonene, Geraniol, Citronellol"
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
Thanks for all youre help Firefox! Lots to remember/learn, I'm glad I asked for some help as I don't think I could have figured that all out on my own.

The crown of my head is honestly always greasy! After co-washing it gets especially bad and lasts between washes, despite plain water rinses/scrubbing with my fingers. The only thing I've found the remove the grease that makes my hair feel nice immediately after showering (and for about three days between washing my hair) is the baking soda, which I really want to get away from. I'll try washing my hair upside down. Is a chelating wash just like a clarifying one? I can see why the ACV helps though if I'm dealing with hard water, good to know why that works!

I was using the Huge Naturals Smoothing conditioner for my co-washes and the KM for my ROs strictly on my ends. Sounds like that could be contributing to the greasy feeling in my hair, I'll start looking for something lighter with the ingredients you recommended!
Water rinses and massage won't shift butters if that is the problem, oils and sebum are not water soluble.

Hugo Naturals conditioner
"Aqua/water, brassicyl isoleucinate esylate, brassica alcohol, coco-caprylate, caprylic/capric triglycerides, glycerin, plumeria acutifolia flower extract, arginine, hydrolyzed quinoa, panthenol, decyl glucoside, theobroma cacao (cocoa) extract, lauryl glucoside, vanilla planifolia fruit extract, gluconolactone, sodium benzoate."

Doesn't contain any of the common cationic surfactants or fatty alcohols, I'm not familiar with these (blue) so cannot tell you if they are decent cleansers. Red is oils again, could be a fair bit given they are so high on the ingredients list, might cause problems. You might try Suave Naturals or V05 which are popular and cheap if they don't work out. Use loads of product - I use five large dollops - either predilute a little in water or add a little of water to your head to ensure you build up a light 'lather', massage again as you rinse. You might try gentle sugar scalp scrubs, this can be mixed into the conditioner I believe.

Chelating is removing deposits from hard water or swimming, clarifying is removing product build up such as silicones and polyquats. Some products will clarify and chelate - eg. swimmers shampoos - others will not.

The other option is to review your diet, this can affect the amount and composition of your sebum which might make it thicker and waxier or more irritant. Especially be sure you are drinking enough water, eating plenty of oily fish, avoiding sugar and white carbs.

Final more outside possibility is that you have a form of mild seborrhoeic dermatitis. This would certainly mean you would need to cleanse more frequently, may not be suited to conditioner only washing and certainly not to water only washing. In SD it's actually the sebum and the waste products of the malassezia yeast (fatty acid oleic acid) that are irritants, and they cause the scalp to overproduce sebum which in turn feeds the yeast ... vicious cycle. Both harsh shampoos and baking soda will shift the sebum and the yeast so relieving matters for a day or three, but damage the skin barrier leaving one more vulnerable to future irritation.

HTH.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 06-13-2013 at 02:31 PM.

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