2s with Fine and Thin hair - support thread!

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Hi there! I wanted to start a support thread for 2s with hair on the fine AND thin side. I think there's lots of products out there that work for curlies with coarser hair, and certainly for denser hair but we are much more limited. Please share!

1. How do you cleanse?
2. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
3. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
4. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
5. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
6. Techniques/products for volume?
7. Do you diffuse?
8. If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
9. Anything that has thickened your hair?
10. What haircut would you recommend?
11. Share tips on cute updos, accessories, anything that spruces up your hair or is a go-to.


Oh and feel free to comment on porosity, dews, hard water etc and how that can be affecting your product and styling choices.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

Last edited by wavydaze; 06-16-2013 at 07:31 AM. Reason: added a question
My hair is both fine and thin. I've always worn my hair curly simply because its too fine/thin to wear straight. I would occasionally use a small barrel curling iron to fix wonky curls so I have some heat damage and I color my hair as well.
I've been using Paul Mitchell round trip for years with great results. It's very lightweight but provides decent hold. I've been experimenting with flax seed gel in combination with the round trip and I like that too.
I've always used a diffuser, upside down, and scrunched as well. Plopping and clipping are new to me but it seems to work ok for me.
Second day hair doesn't really happen unless I rewet and start with wet hair. Strict co washing isn't working because my hair is too fine and is weighed down by the moisture.
Hi there! I wanted to start a support thread for 2s with hair on the fine AND thin side. I think there's lots of products out there that work for curlies with coarser hair, and certainly for denser hair but we are much more limited. Please share!
Originally Posted by wavydaze

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I refuse to say my hair is LD but it definitely looks super thin and flat in the winter, in the summer the Florida humidity disguises it some.

What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
I use protein and protein with a little protein on top! My F / LP hair can't seem to get enough protein and is weighed down by just about anything that claims to be moisturizing. My current faves are in my siggy.
What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
Plopping works well for me as long as I've taken the time to make nice sized clumps beforehand, I have experimented with pixie diffusing immediately after applying stylers but I didn't see that it made much difference. At this point I just do whichever I feel like that night.
Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
Hmm, I'm still torn on this, if I can get good sized clumps going my hair looks good but if the clumps are small and stringy it tends to look thin, it seems like it should be the opposite. If I omit the gel I still get decent hair and it definitely looks thicker but its less wavy.
Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
I'm 2A so if my hair's not super wavy the next day I put it back, braid it or comb it out a bit. Essentially I can always get wearable 2nd day hair, it just isn't necessarily wavy 2nd day hair.
Techniques/products for volume?
Volumax Mega Gel from Sally's !!! Also clipping and using a headband after diffusing. I also slide my fingers in my hair, along my scalp and lift the hair up and shake to loosen some of the hold at the roots and add some lift/volume. Honestly I've had poofy-frizzhead all my life and I am completely willing to trade some volume for defined, shiny, wavy hair.
Do you diffuse?
I pixie diffuse, its very important to do it right to minimize frizz.
If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
My hair is not quite to that point but my Moms is so I'm careful about how I treat it. I do have a very strong part line that will continue down the back of my head if I don't tweak it, hence the clipping.
Anything that has thickened your hair?
I don't think that's possible really although I swear my hair feels thicker / less fine when its all proofed up and frizzy in the summer. Maybe the humidity swells it or raises the cuticle some?
Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
I do braids quite a bit, mostly French braids, I also do a flipped through ponytail: put your hair in a regular ponytail --> loosen it enough that you can slip your thumb and forefinger through from the bottom --> flip the length up and grab it, pulling it through the hole you made --> use a comb to smooth the back / hole area back together and maybe use a bit of hairspray or spray gel to keep flyaways and escapees to a minimum.

I have a Journal in the LP forum, I didn't start it until several months into CG but every product and technique I've tried over the last couple months is there for anyone to peruse. This thread was a great idea, I hope others respond.

Vive la Revolution!
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
My hair is both fine and thin. I've always worn my hair curly simply because its too fine/thin to wear straight. I would occasionally use a small barrel curling iron to fix wonky curls so I have some heat damage and I color my hair as well.
I've been using Paul Mitchell round trip for years with great results. It's very lightweight but provides decent hold. I've been experimenting with flax seed gel in combination with the round trip and I like that too.
I've always used a diffuser, upside down, and scrunched as well. Plopping and clipping are new to me but it seems to work ok for me.
Second day hair doesn't really happen unless I rewet and start with wet hair. Strict co washing isn't working because my hair is too fine and is weighed down by the moisture.
Originally Posted by Jhtdrt
Sounds interesting! Is the PM Round Trip CG? Are you CG? I can't imagine that co-washing could work well for a lot of people with fine AND thin hair. I think our hair looks so much worse if it's overconditioned or going towards being overconditioned.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Yay! Wavydaze has joined the New and Improved Hair Properties Revolution!
Originally Posted by Lynaea


What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
I use protein and protein with a little protein on top! My F / LP hair can't seem to get enough protein and is weighed down by just about anything that claims to be moisturizing. My current faves are in my siggy.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
I'm also finding that protein is the way to go! I think we might need to err more on the side of protein rather than moisture.

Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
Hmm, I'm still torn on this, if I can get good sized clumps going my hair looks good but if the clumps are small and stringy it tends to look thin, it seems like it should be the opposite. If I omit the gel I still get decent hair and it definitely looks thicker but its less wavy.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
Hmmm that's interesting. When I get big clumps I find it more obvious that I have little hair, but then when I go for smaller, broken up clumps I find my hair is "see through" which I also don't love.

Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
I'm 2A so if my hair's not super wavy the next day I put it back, braid it or comb it out a bit. Essentially I can always get wearable 2nd day hair, it just isn't necessarily wavy 2nd day hair.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
2a is still wavy! But I know what you mean! I'm definitely 2b with 2c bits on wash day and my waves last all day but not necessarily through the night, so they're much looser on days 2 & 3. It's not a bad thing, just different. Sometimes I like it more, sometimes less, it depends. More volume usually!

Techniques/products for volume?
Volumax Mega Gel from Sally's !!! Also clipping and using a headband after diffusing. I also slide my fingers in my hair, along my scalp and lift the hair up and shake to loosen some of the hold at the roots and add some lift/volume. Honestly I've had poofy-frizzhead all my life and I am completely willing to trade some volume for defined, shiny, wavy hair.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
OOoh, I'm back Stateside (yay so I get to try all the things I couldn't try last year!) and I'll have to look into the Volumax gel. I just got the SheaMoisture shampoos (Moisture Retention & Coconut/Hibiscus) and the Coconut/Hibiscus curl & style Milk. Haven't tried the poos yet but I LOVE the Milk!! Used it as a leave-in and my waves sprung up! I was also at CVS and picked up DermOrganic "Firm Hold Volume Foam." Do you use mousses? I've never tried but I always hear they're supposed to be good for fine/thin hair.

Anything that has thickened your hair?
I don't think that's possible really although I swear my hair feels thicker / less fine when its all proofed up and frizzy in the summer. Maybe the humidity swells it or raises the cuticle some?
Originally Posted by Lynaea
Yes! The other day I just threw in the towel on my hair and frizzed it up on purpose. I shook my head as hard as I could when I got out of the shower to break up all the clumps and have it go every which direction. Yes more volume. More hair seemingly. And a whole lotta frizz.

Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
I do braids quite a bit, mostly French braids, I also do a flipped through ponytail: put your hair in a regular ponytail --> loosen it enough that you can slip your thumb and forefinger through from the bottom --> flip the length up and grab it, pulling it through the hole you made --> use a comb to smooth the back / hole area back together and maybe use a bit of hairspray or spray gel to keep flyaways and escapees to a minimum.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
I'm having trouble visualizing the flipped up ponytail technique, but I'm interested. I never learned to french braid... guess it's time to start!

I have a Journal in the LP forum, I didn't start it until several months into CG but every product and technique I've tried over the last couple months is there for anyone to peruse. This thread was a great idea, I hope others respond.
Originally Posted by Lynaea
I have seen it! I will give it a read through!
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
1. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
Cure care leave in moisturizes, but because its packed with protein my hair loves it! Suave coconut naturals is enough moisture for a rinse out for me

I use LOOB (clumps and define), morrocanoil curl mousse (define and volume), BSRHG (define). I also like Epsom salt sprays for wave enhancement and body.

2. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)

I plop, but only for a short time. Or else I get flat head.

What helps the most is rinsing upside down with cold water, adding product in fairly wet hair, scrunching the water out and then clipping. If I diffuse it adds lots of volume too, but I'm trying not to.

3. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?

It works for me, I use to think it didn't, but it has to be clumped in order to get more than one day out of my hair.

3. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?

It happens if I get good day one hair and I usually can't reapply any product or it'll get weighed down and look producty. The only thing I like is condish, water, ouidad botanical spray, and a little of the curly sexy spray mousse.

4. Techniques/products for volume?

Upside rinsing and clipping.

5. Do you diffuse?

On occasion, but trying to be nice to my hair.


I have high porosity hair that is a 2a wave (can get more with the right products), really fine and I'd say on the thin side of normal density.
2a-2bFii NP?

Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
locking Spray
Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
Oh LOTS of protein is KEY!!
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2a-2bFii NP?

Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
locking Spray
Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
[QUOTE=wavydaze;2180344]
Sounds interesting! Is the PM Round Trip CG? Are you CG? I can't imagine that co-washing could work well for a lot of people with fine AND thin hair. I think our hair looks so much worse if it's overconditioned or going towards being overconditioned.
Originally Posted by Jhtdrt
I just discovered CG about eight weeks ago. I had been using all the expensive salon shampoos and conditioners thinking they would help my hair. I had been trying to make my hair healthier and that is how I stumbled on the CG method. I tried just co washing but it was just too much conditioner. I've also tried two different cleansing conditioners paired with the sauve naturals and I can do that once a week and then once a week I use the Deva low poo. It's been working really well. The PM round trip has a water soluble cone but I love it. I'm really liking flax seed gel too other than my hair is blond-ish and it makes it look dull and darker.
Oh and I got what is probably the best hair cut I've ever had today. Went to my normal stylist. Let her use her normal products and cut it wet which she has always done. Came home and washed her crap out and my hair looks fabulous!!
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I was also at CVS and picked up DermOrganic "Firm Hold Volume Foam." Do you use mousses? I've never tried but I always hear they're supposed to be good for fine/thin hair.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
I have tried a few mousses, that one included but I need way more hold to get more than 2A waves. I really like the lowpoo, condish and spray gel from that brand though. I use the spray gel when I'm doing braids or pulled back styles to keep frizz and flyaways at bay.
2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
Pic of flipped through ponytail. 2s with Fine and Thin hair - support thread!-imageuploadedbycurltalk1371255963.213310.jpg
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2A / F / MD / LP / ?E / BSL --- CG since Dec. 2012

This is what I'm happiest with right now.
Co-wash: CJ DailyFix
Lo-poo: DermOrganic low-poo
RO: SS Caitlin's co
Leave-in: SheScentIt Okra Repair condish
PT: SS Caitlin's + SS PT
Stylers: Volumax Mega Gel, Max Green Styling Gel, DermOrganics Spray Gel
Techniques: Plopping & Pixie Diffusing.
glycerin, honey, oils & butters Protein!
I tried just co washing but it was just too much conditioner. I've also tried two different cleansing conditioners paired with the sauve naturals and I can do that once a week and then once a week I use the Deva low poo.
Originally Posted by Jhtdrt
You can low-poo regularly and still be CG! I think co-washing actually thinned my hair, so there's no way I'm going back. There's lots of good low-poos on the market now. When the CG Handbook came out years ago... there weren't many low-poos available, so conditioner-cleansing was a good alternative to sulfate poos. Now I don't think that's the case anymore, as in there are good alternatives to sulfate cleansing that aren't conditioners.

If you want any low-poo recs, I really like the Giovanni 50/50 & TTTT, and the SM low-poos are also non-stripping and very moisturizing.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Lynaea, that flipped-up ponytail look is GORGEOUS!
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
[QUOTE=wavydaze;2180506]
If you want any low-poo recs, I really like the Giovanni 50/50 & TTTT, and the SM low-poos are also non-stripping and very moisturizing.
Originally Posted by Jhtdrt
Thanks for the recommendations! I've tried the SM coconut and hibiscus and I'm not crazy about it. I've never seen the Giovanni line anywhere. Ill have to look for it.
Are you US based? If so, they sell them at Whole Foods.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Okay, here is my response! It gets a bit redundant because I mention the same products over and over but oh well! For reference, I have 2b fine hair!
1. How do you cleanse?
I usually use L'Oreal EverStrong Thickening Shampoo (It's sulfate free!). I find that it has helped strengthen, thicken, and grow out my hair without drying it out! I have the EverCurl shampoo, but I find it makes my hair stick to my scalp too much, it's even LESS volumized if that is even possible!
2. What products are you using that define, moisturize but don't weigh down?
For conditioner, I like to alternate between the Everstrong Thickening Conditioner and the EverCurl Conditioner (when used in small quantities, it defines my waves without weighing it down unlike the shampoo!). I haven't ever been completely taken by any leave-in/detangler ever, the one I have most recently used is the EverCurl Dual Oil just because I wanted to try out that line, I find that it works fine, it detangles my hair like a dream and makes it shine more than anything else, you just have to be sure to spray only a bit on your hair at first, then add more if you need it, because it definitely has the potential to weigh down your waves if you use too much!

The BEST PRODUCT I have ever used on my waves is Miss Jessie's Pillow Soft Curls, if I apply it when my hair is 50% air dried and lightly scrunch it ever so often until it dries completely, I have the curl-look I desire! Most products either don't do enough (or anything) for my waves and I'll have to use multiple things to get an okay look, or make them overly crunchy and unnatural looking. This gives me a look that I can't get with anything else and is totally worth the money because you need fewer products and I, at least, am happier with the results! This is how my hair looks WITH Pillow Soft (sorry, I didn't realize the picture would be so big!)
You don't want to see it without, lol
Occasionally I'll use just NYM Beach Babe Spray to get the tousled, messy, beachy look too. It's very affordable and is the only beach spray that doesn't dry my hair!

3. What techniques do you use? (Plopping, scrunching, clipping etc.)
I generally just scrunch my hair while it's air drying, applying product when it's 50% dry
4. Does clumping work for you or does it make your hair look even thinner?
I don't know what that is?
5. Good second day hair - does it happen for you? Any tricks?
Satin pillow case and maybe even a satin bonnet if you sleep like a madwoman! When you wake, try not to comb hair if you can avoid it, sprtiz with water, apply a tad bit more product, scrunch and be happy!
6. Techniques/products for volume?
L'Oreal EverStron Thickening line + Pillow Soft curls give my hair great style and volume
7. Do you diffuse?
I try not to unless I am in a rush!
8. If you have a lot of scalp showing through, is there anything you do to minimize it?
Try the thickening products I have mentioned, then if you still feel self conscious, either consider dyeing your hair a color closer to your skin tone (it's harder to tell this way) or invest in a hair powder to disguise the thin look until your hair thickens up (it takes a while, be patient! Try improving your diet too, if you can)
9. Anything that has thickened your hair?
Yes, the EverStrong products I have mentioned!
10. Share tips on cute updos, accessories, or anything else to make your hair feel fabulous!
I personally tend to wear my hair down, but if I wear it up, I like to do a volumized loose bun, sort of tease the crown a bit and leave my bangs out and add pretty bobby pins or a cute headband!
Annie, your hair is beautiful!

I was curious in the Pillow Soft Curls and looked up the ingredients:

Water (Aqua), Emulsifying Wax NF, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Behentrimonium Chloride, Methyl Gluceth-20, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Blue 1 (CI 42090), Fragrance (Parfum), Limonene, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Alpha Isomethyl Ionone, Citric Acid, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Silk Amino Acids, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Benzyl Alcohol, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Hydroxycitronellal, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Equisetum Arvense Leaf Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Agave Americana Leaf Extract

Glycerin is high up on the list so that's a no, at least for me, in high dews. It also contains amodimethicone, which is a cone and would require a low-poo w/ c. betaine. Okay! Maybe i'll give it a try at some point if I ever live in moderate dews. Thanks for sharing though!
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Clumping is when your hair is broken up into individual waves/curls instead of it being like a sheet/curtain of hair. Most of the curlies on this board have clumps, and mastering the art of clumping is a hot topic lol. Some prefer it when the clumps are bigger, some when the clumps are smaller, and different techniques are used to achieve either style.

I personally have mixed feelings about clumps on my fine, thin hair. I think it makes it look more thin but the definition is definitely nice.


Re: thickening products. I've always wondered whether this was just marketing. I imagine the only thing that really thickens a hair strand would be protein, but even then, the protein would more so bind to the gaps in the hair shaft not add width. If width was added it would be infinitesimally small.

I think certain ingredients/products can add structure and volume and make your hair look thicker. Dry shampoos, baby powder to the crown will do this.

I've actually started using the SM Coconut/Hibiscus Curl & Style Milk, and it has a lot of protein and I notice "sugar starch" is high up on the ingredients list. Let me tell you I am LOVING the volume I get from this on 2nd day hair. Woweee. I think it's because of the starch. My hair looks so much thicker! I know it's just more air/starch but I'm okay with that.
2bc/ f / ii. low porosity roots/normal po. shaft. normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Low-poo: Jason Mango bodywash, CeraVe Foaming
[/B]Cowash: Cure Care + water
RO: Cure Care, V05 KL, G SAS
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF, DE Shine & Refine, AB Strong Hold gel, SM C&S milk
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates, jojoba oil
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
Annie, your hair is beautiful!

I was curious in the Pillow Soft Curls and looked up the ingredients:

Water (Aqua), Emulsifying Wax NF, Glycerin, Amodimethicone, Behentrimonium Chloride, Methyl Gluceth-20, Hydroxyethylcellulose, Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Phenoxyethanol, Caprylyl Glycol, Blue 1 (CI 42090), Fragrance (Parfum), Limonene, Triticum Vulgare (Wheat) Germ Oil, Safflower (Carthamus Tinctorius) Oil, Persea Gratissima (Avocado) Oil, Alpha Isomethyl Ionone, Citric Acid, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Silk Amino Acids, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Linalool, Hexyl Cinnamal, Amyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Benzyl Salicylate, Hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Benzyl Alcohol, Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate, Hydroxycitronellal, Urtica Dioica (Nettle) Extract, Equisetum Arvense Leaf Extract, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Agave Americana Leaf Extract

Glycerin is high up on the list so that's a no, at least for me, in high dews. It also contains amodimethicone, which is a cone and would require a low-poo w/ c. betaine. Okay! Maybe i'll give it a try at some point if I ever live in moderate dews. Thanks for sharing though!
Originally Posted by wavydaze
Thank you so much!
Yeah, I know, I was a little apprehensive to buy it because of the ingredients (I usually use things on the more natural side, if not strictly organic) but I was having bad luck with other curl products so I decided to just give it a try, and I don't regret it at all! If you ever want to try something new, I would totally recommend it!
Wow, Annie! I love your hair, I'm very tempted to try it even tho it has a cone in it.

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Are you US based? If so, they sell them at Whole Foods.
Originally Posted by wavydaze
I have the SM coconut and hibiscus shampoo but I wasn't crazy about it. I found the Giovanni TTTT at target yesterday. Never thought to look over by the make up. I got that and the YTC conditioner and kinky curly spiral spritz. Can't wait to try them.

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