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Old 06-19-2013, 02:40 PM   #1
 
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Default Hair Betrayal! HELP!

I used to have bouncy short curls (2c) and while I was shampooing once or twice a week at the most, I was by no means using a sulfate free conditioner and still parading around with bouncy curls. Then for a year or so I grew my hair out and discovered sulfate and cone free shampoos and conditioners.

Recently I cut my hair to a short bob again because I missed my bouncy curls and the easy lifestyle that comes with short hair. Much to my dismay my hair is NOT CURLY ANYMORE! It's wavy at best, like a 2a. I am so upset. I've attached three pictures--two of my old curly hair and one current one, where it is just wavy.

I don't know if this is because of the hair style, but I've had similar hair cuts in the past and the curls were there.

I'm wondering if my hair has just changed in those three years since my hair was bouncy and short and am going to try and cater to my particular hair properties, as so many of you CGs are doing. Based on everything I've read I believe I am the following:

Medium, porous hair
I think I have poor elasticity, because when I pulled a wet strand of hair, it stretched a bit but then snapped. Based on what I've read this means I need to avoid proteins...right?

But since my hair is porous, I need protein...?

I read porous hair needs more moisture but I am confused about what products I should be looking at for more moisture.

I also don't understand what properties I'm looking for in a co wash versus a rinse out and a leave in conditioner.

Currently I am using Avalon Organics Peppermint (haha it's also my name)
but it leaves my hair greasy in addition to being NOT CURLY (grr) so I know this is not the conditioner for me.

As for gels I alternate between Aveda curl creme and Osis Twin Curl. In the past Osis Loopy and Aveda curl creme worked great for my curly hair but lately neither this Twin Curl product nor Aveda are very helpful.

I wonder if either of the above products would be more effective if I had a good leave-in conditioner but I just don't know what I'm looking for.

I am so lost and confused and frustrated with my dumb wavy hair.
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Old 06-19-2013, 02:49 PM   #2
 
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Well if it were me I'd try a clarifying wash, and you could at least test protein on a strand or two. Dies it feel dry or ok? I'd also test out some different products. When you got your cut did they do any thinning or razoring?
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Old 06-19-2013, 03:09 PM   #3
 
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How recently did you get your cut? I think it can take hair some time to adjust to a big cut.
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I cut my hair about six weeks ago.

My stylist doesn't do any razoring. She does lighten the weight with a thinning technique done with scissors only but that hasn't affected my curls in the past.

What's involved in a clarifying wash? I've been looking it up on the site, but feel unsure about what to do.

What do you recommend to use for testing protein on some strands of hair? Is it better to get a product that is heavy in protein, or any product that contains protein? I read in a thread about protein...packets but now I can't remember if that's a thing I read or made up!
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Old 06-19-2013, 04:32 PM   #5
 
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You could start out lighter with ion effective care from Sally's and if htharvaeems to be the right direction move up to the gelatin protein treatment. http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/2012/05/...tment.html?m=1
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:42 AM   #6
 
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Default Clarifying clarifier? =)

Thanks Chupie. I'm going to try and find someone who sells ion effective care in the UK.

Can you or anyone else tell me what is involved in clarifying?
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Thanks Chupie. I'm going to try and find someone who sells ion effective care in the UK.

Can you or anyone else tell me what is involved in clarifying?
Clarifying is using a shampoo with strong surfactants or a chelating poo if you swim a lot/ have hard water to strip your hair of any build up in order to create a clean slate. You can still use a sulphate free poo to do this as long as it has coco betaine fairly high on the list.

I clarify occasionally using CHS treatment shampoo (has sulphates, but a low PH so it's fairly gentle) or Malibu C swimmers poo (fairly harsh, but does get rid of mineral build up since I swim in the pool a lot and have very hard water).
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:43 AM   #8
 
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I cut my hair about six weeks ago.

My stylist doesn't do any razoring. She does lighten the weight with a thinning technique done with scissors only but that hasn't affected my curls in the past.
Maybe your stylist did too much thinning this time or slightly different technique? This absolutely could be the issue, thinning is generally not recommended on curly hair because it breaks up the curls.

Protein is not an all of nothing thing, most of us need it balanced with moisture/ conditioners. Maybe use a lightweight 'daily' protein, perhaps in a conditioner base, instead of a hardcore treatment like gelatin. Good ingredients for porous or damaged hair include coconut oil, ceramides and panthenol.

Ingredients that can boost curl include coconut oil, honey, magnesium sulphate (epsom salts) and hydrolysed protein - the latter two can be drying so in moderation only.

Effective co-wash conditioners are rich in cationic surfactants, some fatty alcohols and low in natural oils and butters, the Avalon doesn't meet that criteria in fact it's almost the opposite! Suave Naturals, V05 and Tresemme Naturals are often used. You may find the Avalon makes a good leave in conditioner once you have found the right cleansing product, the formula is much more suited to that.
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Old 06-20-2013, 12:07 PM   #9
 
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Thanks Chloe92 and Firefox. I've just come back from a major hunt in various stores in Glasgow for co-wash conditioners and a low poo.

I also think I have found a salon that is really good for curly hair.

Here's hoping that all these tips and a better stylist add up to bringing back my curls!!
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Looks like the layers put into your hair were much different in this haircut than in the first photos, but don't despair too much I like your wavy hair, that's very much what my hair looks like haha
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Old 06-21-2013, 03:40 AM   #11
 
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Looks like the layers put into your hair were much different in this haircut than in the first photos, but don't despair too much I like your wavy hair, that's very much what my hair looks like haha
I think you're right about the layers. I am definitely trying a different stylist who is a bit more keyed into curly hair needs. On the other hand, my little sister keeps telling me that my wavy hair looks awesome and to just go with it!
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