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Old 06-30-2013, 12:02 PM   #1
 
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Hi everyone! Sorry in advance for the lengthy post. I'm VERY new to this- about a week and a half in, so you'll have to bear with me when it comes to hair properties. I'm a 2a/2b with medium-fine hair and a medium-high density (I think... my hair's not very think but there is quite a but of it, but not a TON of it). I think I have normal porosity. I've been using sulfate/silicone/paraben free shampoo and conditioner for a couple of years now, but I never did anything to maximize my waves, and I often blow dried it straight for work. Lately I just decided that since my waves have become more pronounced lately, and it just isn't worth it in the humidity (I live in Florida) to try to keep it straight, I'd try out my natural waves!

Right now, I'm on a VERY tight budget, and this is what I'm using: Yes to Carrots (both the Shampoo and the Conditioner, and I use a little of the conditioner as a leave-in as well), NYM Kinky Moves Curl Defining Creme, Herbal Essence Totally Twisted Curl Mousse, and NYM Beat the Heat spray. I plop as well as diffuse usually.

My problem is FRIZZ. Tons of it. Like I said, I live in Florida. Nothing I do seems to get rid of the halo. Anyone have any experience in a very humid climate who can help??
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:35 PM   #2
 
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Hey there! I think we're hair twins and I'm also in FL!

Can you list the ingredients of the products you're using? I thought YTC had cones (but maybe they changed the formula) and I'm not familiar with the NYM products.

Here's things to keep in mind:

Glycerin and other humectants
generally a no-no in high dews. I generally avoid glycerin but sometimes it can be okay if in moderate amounts or if it's listed after anti-humectants such as oils or butters. Review your styling products for humectants.

Polyquat buildup
HETT has a polyquat. This can cause buildup which can cause frizz for some, so you actually may need a strong surfactant such as a sulfate to clear it up.

Protein/Moisture balance
This could be off. Does your hair feel very soft, maybe mushy and limp? Does it look dry but it isn't actually? You may be overconditioned and may need protein. Anyway, fine hair needs regular protein intake especially in very high dews (where hair has plenty access to moisture).

Technique
Don't touch while drying, and don't rub w/ a terrycloth towel. Gently blot excess water with an old cotton tshirt. No brushing while hair is dry. You may already be doing these things.
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*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

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RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:55 PM   #3
 
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Right now, I'm on a VERY tight budget, and this is what I'm using: Yes to Carrots (both the Shampoo and the Conditioner, and I use a little of the conditioner as a leave-in as well), NYM Kinky Moves Curl Defining Creme, Herbal Essence Totally Twisted Curl Mousse, and NYM Beat the Heat spray. I plop as well as diffuse usually.

My problem is FRIZZ. Tons of it. Like I said, I live in Florida. Nothing I do seems to get rid of the halo. Anyone have any experience in a very humid climate who can help??
NYM CREAM:

Water (Aqua), Polyquaternium 37, Propylene Glycol Dicaprylate/Dicaprate, Fragrance, Polyquaternium 72, Phenyl Trimethicone, PPG 1 Trideceth 6, Polyquaternium 11, Amodimethicone, Cetrimonium Chloride, Trideceth 12, Propylene Glycol, Tetrasodium EDTA, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Vitis Vinifera (Grape Seed Extract), Jasminum Officinale (Jasmine Flower Extract)

NYM SPRAY:

Alcohol Denatured, Water, VP/VA Copolymer, Fragrance, Acetamide MEA, Octylacrylamide/Acrylates/Butylaminoethyl Methacrylate Coploymer, PVP, Glycerin, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) (Sunflower Seed Extract), Tocopheryl Acetate, Butylene Glycol, Amino Methyl Propanol, Citric Acid, Retinyl Palmitate (Vitamin A)

HE MOUSSE:

Water, Isobutane, Propane, Polyquaternium 4, Crassula Argentea Leaf Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower/Leaf Stem Extract, Fragrance, Propylene Glycol, C9 11 Pareth 8, DMDM Hydantoin, Disodium EDTA, Citric Acid

I've bolder the ingredients that may be giving you trouble. Lots of polyquats and cones in the cream- I would stop using that one. The beat the heat spray has a drying alcohol as the first ingredient.

Since you're on a budget, keep the poo and condish, they are good. Cut the NYM stuff, and buy a cheap gel like LA LOOKS SPORT or DEP SPORT. in the Florida heat and humidity, a hard hold gel works for most. After it dries, it will crunchy- just flip your head over and scrunch out the crunch, but ONLY after its completely dry! Good luck!
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Old 06-30-2013, 03:02 PM   #4
 
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Like so many of you I live in a humid climate in the summer. All of a sudden fizz is a big deal. I know that I have damage from blowdrying and straightening and coloring so I need moisture. I picked up Shea Moisture Coconut and Hibiscus milk yesterday after reading that Wavydaze liked it. Our hair seems similar enough that I thought I had a shot at liking it. Plus it has some good stuff in it. I also know that I could use this in a few different ways. So this morning after cowashing I just took a penny sized amount and ran it through soaking wet hair and scrunched and then microfiber scrunched. When I looked in the mirror it looked weighed down and I panicked so I put some gel in the top. When it dried it looked curly and healthy! I definitely did not need that gel! I think the SM will help a lot with my canopy frizz and the pieces of hair that are fried. I am cautiously optimistic! Thanks Wavydaze!
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Old 06-30-2013, 05:20 PM   #5
 
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Hi everyone! Sorry in advance for the lengthy post. I'm VERY new to this- about a week and a half in, so you'll have to bear with me when it comes to hair properties. I'm a 2a/2b with medium-fine hair and a medium-high density (I think... my hair's not very think but there is quite a but of it, but not a TON of it). I think I have normal porosity. I've been using sulfate/silicone/paraben free shampoo and conditioner for a couple of years now, but I never did anything to maximize my waves, and I often blow dried it straight for work. Lately I just decided that since my waves have become more pronounced lately, and it just isn't worth it in the humidity (I live in Florida) to try to keep it straight, I'd try out my natural waves!

Right now, I'm on a VERY tight budget, and this is what I'm using: Yes to Carrots (both the Shampoo and the Conditioner, and I use a little of the conditioner as a leave-in as well), NYM Kinky Moves Curl Defining Creme, Herbal Essence Totally Twisted Curl Mousse, and NYM Beat the Heat spray. I plop as well as diffuse usually.

My problem is FRIZZ. Tons of it. Like I said, I live in Florida. Nothing I do seems to get rid of the halo. Anyone have any experience in a very humid climate who can help??
Try
- conditioner only washing to change the charge on hair
- all products pH 4.5 to 5.5 to encourage the cuticle to lay flat
- cut back on humectants, especially glycerin
- coconut oil within deep treatments to reduce any porosity
- way more conditioner as leave in
- air dry instead of diffuse
- few drops of mineral oil in your gel or leave in conditioner
- lose the alcohol and any of the polyquats that can bulid up (Google).
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Old 06-30-2013, 08:08 PM   #6
 
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okyouwin I'm glad to hear it's worked the first time and I hope it continues to work for you!
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fine - normal porosity*?- medium density - normal elasticity. Hard water. SoCal.
*Used to be low-porosity, but I lightened my hair 1-2 shades, so I may be normal-porosity now.

New climate! Current favorites:
Low-poo: CJ Gentle Cleansing Shampoo, Giovanni SaS
RO: V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: CJ Repair Me, IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: JC Confident Coils, JC Rockin Ringlets, CJ CIAB, gelatin gel

iherb discount code: CFN646
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Old 07-06-2013, 07:11 AM   #7
 
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I obsessed over the thread below a month or so ago when the temps and humidity started creeping up up up here. I learned a LOT from it, and I'm having consistently good hair days now, even on sticky, steamy days. I use SM Curl Milk with a few drops of mineral oil and a healthy dose of LA Looks Sport Gel (the dark blue one).

I kind of owe my summer-hair-sanity to the women of this thread:
Calling all curlies in super humid locations...lets share high dew tips!
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No HGs yet, but currently toying with:
Lo-Poo: AG Smoooth Argan Shampoo
RO: Matrix Sleek (this is an old formula that somehow--magically--is cone free), AG Smoooth Argan Conditioner
LI: VO5 Silky Experiences Island Coconut, SM C&H Milk
Styling: mineral oil (to seal against humidity), LA Looks Sport Gel, FSG
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Old 07-07-2013, 01:44 PM   #8
 
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Ok so after a little more time, here's the deal. I really mean SUPER TIGHT BUDGET, so for now I'm just trying to use these products until I'm done with them or I can bring myself to spending a few bucks on some LA Sport Gel, and maybe a new cream (maybe something Shea Moisture? When I have some $$). I think I would consider my YtC shampoo a low-poo, and I've been doing that less and co-washing with the YtC conditioner more, and being a little tiny bit more liberal with it as a leave-in. That has DEFINITELY been a success. Yesterday, I tried putting a little bit of olive oil in my hair and it was both a success and a failure. I had excellent shine and almost no frizz, but it just would not dry, all day. I think I would use it more as a treatment in the future, and it wash it out after.

I've also been experimenting with ways to dry my hair. Air drying is definitely best in terms of frizz, but it leaves my waves a little limp and it takes forever to dry. I usually need to diffuse and go in the morning, which sucks, because my hair gets really frizzy. I've just been throwing on a headband in response. Today I experimented with a combination of the pixie curl method, and trying to dry with my hair still plopped. I got pretty good results from this, but then again, this could also just be from my hair starting to get used to this routine...

I'm going to keep working on it!
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:47 PM   #9
 
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It sounds like you're making progress, but just in case, and for the benefit of others reading this thread, I have another suggestion that made a big difference to me. I had never looked into how hard the water is where I live, but reading other threads about frizz made me wonder if I had mineral buildup. It turns out my water is very hard, so I did a treatment from Sally's to clarify, and it helped a lot. I had tried protein treatments and coconut oil, but this made the biggest immediate difference to my hair so far. (I'm a month and a half in to CG, but a budding PJ, so I've tried a lot of things.)

Anyone who wants to clarify: there are several ways and products to be found if you search the NC site (and a lot of good information). The one I used was Ion Crystal Clarifying Treatment, and one packet was about $3. From now on I'm going to be more careful to periodically use products that will counteract the minerals in my water.
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:28 PM   #10
 
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Thanks for all the replies! I did end up getting some Dep Sport Gel, and using that on top of some of the HETT mousse us excellent in this humidity!! I like the hold of the gel, but I like what the mousse does for volume at my roots. Here are a few progress pics, even though I'm still only a few weeks in:

Photo 1: end of Week 1, back
Photo 2: end of Week 1, front
Photo 3: end of Week 2
Photo 4: end of Week 3 (today), back
Photo 5: end of Week 3 (today), front

You can see the HUGE difference in frizz from last week to this week!! There's still a bit, but this is Florida. What can you do?
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