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Old 07-01-2013, 02:26 PM   #1
 
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Default WHY Oh WHY did I dye my hair?!

I have worked extremely hard to get my hair healthier, longer, minimal breakage, and minimal shedding…. All gone down the drain with a stupid spontaneous desire for change, I dyed my hair twice within a 10 week period.

The first dye wasn’t so damaging to my hair I took A LOT of precaution and preparation to do it. However the color was not what I wanted. So I waited, and I dyed it again, this time going much more dramatic. The color turned out great, what my hair is going through right now is not.
For years I had been dealing with horrible breakage and then thinning hair. I worked very hard to get my hair to be healthy and then I began to grow it out. It was beautiful! I also had a lot more money to spend on products and boy did I drop it too.

Now, my hair is miserable. It is breaking and I am loosing SO much hair. Unfortunately, thinning hair runs for women in my family. (Thanks for the genetics mom!) I have trimmed my hair, I have treated my hair, and I am at my wits in with my hair.

Because my husband and I are struggling financially I have not been able to purchase my beloved brands I have before so I have resorted to what I at the stores purchasing one thing at a time.

What previously worked for my hair?

Curl Junkie (I actually used the Deep Fix as a leave in condish!)
Spiral Solutions
Darcy’s Botanicals
JessiCurl
MiraCurl Curling Gelly

What do I have on hand now?

Shea Moisture
L’Oreal EverCurl
Giovanni
Kinky Curly Knot (hate the smell of it)
And ½ bottle of Curl Junkie Cleansing Cream.
JessiCurl
MiraCurl Curling Gelly

NOTHING is touching my.

I have 2 B/C, Fine, Porous, Low Density, Thin, Breaking, Bra Length Hair. (Coconut Oil Sensitive) Oils and Butters make me look like a grease bucket. I live on the east coast in DE. We have pretty high humidity here during the summer time. Summer has always been so difficult for my hair. I am a wash and go type of gal. I air dry with my hair put in duck bill clips at night, sometimes wet.

So Ladies…. On a tight tight tight suffocating budget…. Help Me Restore My Hair! I promise NEVER to die it every again!

Should I do a big chop? I’m losing it and break so badly…. I’m afraid I’m not going to have any hair left in two months.

I am open to all suggestions for products and methods to help return my hair back to its lovely state. So Lay it On Me Ladies (and gents).
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Did the strand tests come out fine? Which specific products do you have from the brands you list?

Unfortunately hair is dead so it cannot be repaired, I would cut off the worst of the damage if your hair is breaking off. Where possible use products at pH 4.5 to 5.5 which will help keep the cuticle flat and prevent the pH rollercoaster further damaging your hair. pH strips are SUPER cheap on eBay, some products are listed on the Natural Haven blog and elsewhere online.

Two key ingredients for breaking hair, first and foremost hardcore hydrolysed protein. Could try gelatin but something like Colorful Neutral protein filler would be better - this is practical because you can basically DIY with it and play with concentrations and combinations so waste nothing. Ingredients that *may* aid penetration include aloe vera, behentrimonium methosulphate (a cationic surfactant, may be a main ingredient in a conditioner you already have) and lecithin.
Colorful Products - Colorful Neutral Protein Filler 4 oz.

Secondly coconut oil - refined edible stuff is cheap - use as an ingredient in a deep conditioner you don't have to use it straight up if that is too much for your fine hair. Forget what you have been sensitive to in the past and don't expect instant gratification, you might have to suffer slightly dry or slightly greasy hair occasionally and do multiple treatments. The excess oil should wash out fine with piles of cheap conditioner tho.

Other beneficial ingredients include ceramides and panthenol. KCKT can be used as an ingredient in a DIY project, there are multiple variations on Kimmaytube's (from YouTube) leave in conditioner online.

Treat your hair like antique lace: ONLY finger detangle no brushing or combing, don't sleep on wet hair that will pull on it when it's in the delicate wet state, be careful when clipping, consider loose protective styling so the ends don't pull on your car seat/ purse strap/ clothing/ sofa, use a satin pillowcase or bonnet at night etc.
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Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:19 PM   #3
 
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Loreal damage erasing balm helped me out tons, its not cg though so I don't use it anymore, but it's about $7 it lasted me 1 month because everytime I wash my hair I wanted to deep condition because of how much damage I had

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Old 07-01-2013, 06:35 PM   #4
 
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Loreal damage erasing balm helped me out tons, its not cg though so I don't use it anymore, but it's about $7 it lasted me 1 month because everytime I wash my hair I wanted to deep condition because of how much damage I had

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I second the balm, it has an A-cone, but it works! It stopped my breakage after a bad dye job. I used it for a week straight every day and my hair was really moisturised. I did not need it again after that just kept pampering my hair with regular CG conditioners.
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Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut / Everlasting Sunshine, V05
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:06 PM   #5
 
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Did the strand tests come out fine? Which specific products do you have from the brands you list?
The products that is under "what I have on hand" is currently what I have now. I'm basically looking for good products that I can find in places like target or sally's that are good. I know some about ingredients but clearly not as well as you. I did not know about trading the pH of products. I will look into that further. Thank you.

I know exactly of the filer you are speaking of.

I do use coconut oil in my diy treatments for my hair. I just typically do not use it in everyday products. Just like now I have my head wrapped up sitting in a honey, coconut oil, and olive oil treatment.

I will definitely check out other ingredients and information you have listed. It's greatly appreciated.

I try to be very conscious about the tugging of my air. I need to get satin cases. Bonnets won't stay in my hair for any reason.

Ty ladies. Like I said I'm pen to trying almost anything lol

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New Goals To restore my hair after dying it twice in two weeks. Learning more about products found in the stores to fit my tight budget. I'm still working on trying to grow out my hair.
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Did the strand tests come out fine? Which specific products do you have from the brands you list?
The products that is under "what I have on hand" is currently what I have now. I'm basically looking for good products that I can find in places like target or sally's that are good. I know some about ingredients but clearly not as well as you. I did not know about trading the pH of products. I will look into that further. Thank you.

I know exactly of the filer you are speaking of.

I do use coconut oil in my diy treatments for my hair. I just typically do not use it in everyday products. Just like now I have my head wrapped up sitting in a honey, coconut oil, and olive oil treatment.

I will definitely check out other ingredients and information you have listed. It's greatly appreciated.

I try to be very conscious about the tugging of my air. I need to get satin cases. Bonnets won't stay in my hair for any reason.

Ty ladies. Like I said I'm pen to trying almost anything lol

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Re-read your post, you didn't list products in most cases you listed brands!
"Shea Moisture - which one?
L’Oreal EverCurl - which one?
Giovanni - which one?
Kinky Curly Knot (hate the smell of it)
And ½ bottle of Curl Junkie Cleansing Cream.
JessiCurl - which one?
MiraCurl Curling Gelly
"

Don't bother with olive oil, given the level of damage just use the coconut oil. Oleic acid can certainly penetrate, but it's lauric acid that is proven to preserve structural proteins which you desperately need at present. If you are on a budget I would concentrate on making or doctoring your own products, there are only a very limited number of ingredients that will make a significant difference by penetrating or adhering in such a way as to strengthen the hair.

I *think* Sally's has the 'As I Am' line some or all of which are pH 4.5 or thereabouts, but they may be too heavy for your hair type. Also the 'Stay on Satin' line of sleep bonnets: I assume you can return them if they don't stay on as promised but YouTubers say they do. Do get a satin pillowcase otherwise, hopefully someone can tell you the cheapest place since I am not in the US.
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CO-wash: Inecto coconut
Treatments: Komaza Matani, coconut oil, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss ultimate volume, Inecto argan
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Boots Essentials gel
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:28 PM   #7
 
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There are a few threads on budget-friendly CG products. Here are a few ideas that might work for you.
Gelatin PT- my hair lies lots of protein so I make mine with 3-4 packets of gelatin in 1/2 cup of water with a bit of coconut oil (about the only time my hair tolerates coconut oil), honey, Epsom salt, Neutral Protein Filler and ION Effective Care (this is also a great budget-friendly RO with a decent hit of protein).
Cleansers- my favorite is VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Conditioner for co-washing. Suave products tend to leave my roots gunky. For low-poo, I really like the Renpure Keratin or Argan Oil Shampoos- I found them to be more on the gentle side than most of the low-poos I've used. Shea Moisture Moisture Retention Shampoo is also very gentle, but a bit more expensive. Besides the As I Am line, I've also seen Eden BodyWorks in Sally's and their co-wash has more or a protein punch than As I Am.
Conditioners- I mentioned ION Effective Care before, and that's probably the cheapest high protein conditioner that I've found. Another great conditioner at Sally's is their GVP Conditioning Balm, which can be easily doctored into a deep conditioning treatment by adding a bit of oil (coconut, avocado, etc)
Styling products- Also a great selection at Sally's: Biotera Gel, GVP Liquid Sculpting Gel (high protein, glycerin-free and smells like raspberry Jello), Volumax Styling Gel or Mega Gel
I'm going to also suggest possibly trying a somewhat controversial ingredient, but I've found that it works well for me, and I've seen several fine-haired, higher porosity ladies rave about it- sealing with a few drops of mineral oil (I just use regular Johnson's Baby Oil). Apply sparingly to sopping wet hair after LI. I've had no issues with weigh down or build up, even with co-washing, but it's an ingredient that not everyone can use.
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Old 07-01-2013, 09:32 PM   #8
 
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Oh! I should have been more specific about what i have on hand l.

SM - thickening shampoo (green line), anti-breakage hair masque, shine & hold coconut hib. spray

L'Oréal - ever curl comdish & shampoo

Giovanni - tea tree shampoo & smoothe as silk condish.

I do not have anymore JessiCurl.

I have been thinking about SM coconut condish and the souffle.

I have been looking up store item brands sick as Curls (non - salon products), Jane carter, other kinky curly products, and miss Jessie (which is pricey but always on sale)

Items that has worked in my hair specifically are:

CJ daily fix cleansing condish, JessiCurl low-poo

Spiral solutions, catlins condish, darcy pumpkin seed

Curl Junkie deep treatment as a leave in.

DT spiral solutions deeply decadent. Pt also spiral sol.

I have been successful with heavier products.

Ty about the bonnets. Another one I'll check out. I have heard that gelatin is a good pt

I have no problems with Diy stuff either. Gelatin I hear is a good pt too.

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New Goals To restore my hair after dying it twice in two weeks. Learning more about products found in the stores to fit my tight budget. I'm still working on trying to grow out my hair.

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Old 07-02-2013, 07:51 AM   #9
 
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Thanks Corina! Your post is very helpful too!

I have a couple of questions

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There are a few threads on budget-friendly CG products. Here are a few ideas that might work for you.
Gelatin PT- my hair lies lots of protein so I make mine with 3-4 packets of gelatin in 1/2 cup of water with a bit of coconut oil (about the only time my hair tolerates coconut oil), honey, Epsom salt, Neutral Protein Filler and ION Effective Care (this is also a great budget-friendly RO with a decent hit of protein).
Do you use all of this in a single treatment or look for a balance using these ingredients. I have seen many live and swear by the gelatin. I just have not purchased any yet. I keep meaning to for a couple of DIY projects I have been meaning to try.

For Honey, I am wondering if darker honey vs your standard clover honey makes any difference. I know darker honey can be used in a lightening treatment.

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Cleansers- my favorite is VO5 Vanilla Mint Tea Conditioner for co-washing. Suave products tend to leave my roots gunky. For low-poo, I really like the Renpure Keratin or Argan Oil Shampoos- I found them to be more on the gentle side than most of the low-poos I've used. Shea Moisture Moisture Retention Shampoo is also very gentle, but a bit more expensive.
I hated Suave even as a cleanser. I never tried V05. I'll look into this more. I have Shea Moisture's Thickening, Fine, Thin Hair Shampoo. It's very and gentle. I can feel the oils from it, but I feel like I frizz more with it. Perhaps it's the conditioner follow up that needs be adjusted.

I always find sales for SM, so it hasn't been too costly. I can get BOGO's readily at Target.

I will definitely look into the other products you have listed. I've always had a hard time with my summer time products and trying to filter out what makes my hair insanely frizzy. I've put that on the back burner, and now I'm just trying to stop the massive amount of shedding and breakage I have begun to experience.

When I went CG in 2010 I sort of ignored more store bought products and went into trying stuff online. Now that I'm more limited financially finding quality items in the stores is a higher priority but I'm a little confused about ingredients I'm trying to look at. I'm very big into Couponing and catching sales too. Target has a really spectacular return policy.

After doing some thinking and reevaluating last night. I've narrowed down when I have the most difficult time with moisture retention in my hair. Second and Third day hair is were I struggling the most. I'm struggling with technique, how to deal with bed head, a good leave in product, and most of all retaining moisture.

Previously I had been using Curl Junkie's Rehab moisture condish as a leave in product. It's a pretty heavy product to use as a leave in, but it worked. I'm trying to find a good sister product for that. Kinky Curly Knot doesn't cut.

Between you and fire I believe I have a good starting area to take a step back and restart my hunt.

Thanks! If anyone has anything to add, I'm all ears..... or eyes rather!
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New Goals To restore my hair after dying it twice in two weeks. Learning more about products found in the stores to fit my tight budget. I'm still working on trying to grow out my hair.
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Old 07-02-2013, 08:56 AM   #10
 
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I'm on the phone app, so I'm not doing the multi-quote thing

I use all of the ingredients I listed in each PT. This is a strong recipe, but I've tried to over-do the protein in my hair and it hasn't happened yet. If you don't know how your hair will tolerate, start with only one packet and work your way up as needed. I just use regular clove honey, nothing special.
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Just a quick note... TY for the Blog share. Natural Haven has shed a ton of light already.
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Thanks Corrina!
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:39 PM   #13
 
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Alright, after making my list and checking out product suggestions I have a hefty start! Thankfully target has a great re turn policy and I took back the ever curl hydracharge crap and another product.

I did pick up the SM coconut smoothie which can be used as a leave in plus has silk protein, Burts bees baby oil which is packed with the cermacides. I also got some neutral protein filter and a satin stay on cap.

So it's a start. Next pay day I'll see about more. I'm interested in the eden body work Co wash and the as I am leave in condish next.

Again Ty for the tips. It's really helped with a nice new reasonable list of things to buy.

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New Goals To restore my hair after dying it twice in two weeks. Learning more about products found in the stores to fit my tight budget. I'm still working on trying to grow out my hair.
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Old 07-02-2013, 07:51 PM   #14
 
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If you're looking for something more budget-friendly I can recommend the Nature's Gate conditioners. I've liked almost all that I've tried, my favorite being the Chamomile, Herbal (strong smell) and Jojoba one. I haven't tried the Biotin one but that one looks good. That one has the most amount of protein I think. I've found them at Whole Foods for around $6.50 or you can get them on iherb.com for $5-$7. Search - nature's gate conditioner - iHerb.com If you've never ordered from iherb.com before you can also use my discount code, it's in my siggie! It's $5 off any order under $40 or $10 off for orders over $40.

I do like the NG conditioners. I think they're high quality for a good price.
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