My first day as a Curly (Wavy) girl! Can you type me?

Hey everyone! I just wanted to share my story, and add my experience to the pot!

I've been waffling about whether to try actually doing the CG method, and I decided it was for the better if I did.

I'm sure many of you wavies can probably sympathize with this feeling... My hair when I do "nothing" to it is neither here not there... Not straight, not curly...just kind of sticking out in out directions, not knowing what to do.

Below are pictures of my first attempt at the CG method. I COwashed with Suave Aloe and Waterlily conditioner and used Trader Joe's Nourish Spa conditioner in the shower. Basically, it was whatever I conveniently had on hand that was CG-friendly for now.

I followed the method I read in the CG book for washing/styling and it seemed to work well. I used Herbal Essences Set Me Up Gel, pretty liberally through my hair and made sure it was nice and "squwelchy" (What, did I really just make that word?) Well, you guys know what I mean. I clipped my roots as per the book as well ( I happen to have some CG stuff right now at my disposal being home for the summer, since my mom is already CG, and much curlier, I might add!)

Finally, once my hair was about 80% dry, I sprayed my of Deva's Set it Free spray on my palms and scrunched out the crunch in my hair which made it super soft and and even gave the wave a bit more bounce and spring.

It took a looong time for my hair to dry with the gel in it, though... Much longer than normal. In fact, I washed it almost 3 hours ago and it is STILL a little damp! I think I will have to figure how to remedy that. Any ideas?

At any rate, I was SHOCKED at how wavy my hair really is when properly styled.

Here are some photos of my first day as a Curly Girl:

Also note...I have used henna and indigo dyed on the bottom section of my hair that is growing out. Even pre-CG awareness, I noticed it took about 50% of the natural wave out of my hair, at least. t has been so long since I've seen my virgin hair that I don't remember what my purely natural wave looks like anymore. It is soooo dry on the length now.

Anyhooo.... Here are the pics... Can anyone more experienced type me? I'm guessing I'm a 2b right now. I'd like to find some hair twins that might give me a starting point for trying some products.









Thanks for looking!

Last edited by TamLin; 07-12-2013 at 11:34 PM.
I think you're 2a/b. Your S waves are still very loose, but I can definitely see more curl potential in them.

Welcome! Your hair is going to love you for treating it right!
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
I think you're 2a/b. Your S waves are still very loose, but I can definitely see more curl potential in them.

Welcome! Your hair is going to love you for treating it right!
Originally Posted by wavydaze

Did you notice that your hair got a bit wavier after going CG for a while? I know hair is dead, but I kind of assume you have to "encourage" the waves before they come into their own.
I think you're 2a/b. Your S waves are still very loose, but I can definitely see more curl potential in them.

Welcome! Your hair is going to love you for treating it right!
Originally Posted by wavydaze

Did you notice that your hair got a bit wavier after going CG for a while? I know hair is dead, but I kind of assume you have to "encourage" the waves before they come into their own.
Originally Posted by TamLin
Absolutely. I was shocked. I thought I was a 2a all my life but with a few months of being "intentionally CG," cowashing, scrunching, plopping I had spirals, ringlets and rope curls! So like 2b/c. However now I'm doing things to somewhat discourage the curl so my hair is 2b most days. My hair can still accordion a lot... I think this is typical of wavies.
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
I'm sure many of you wavies can probably sympathize with this feeling... My hair when I do "nothing" to it is neither here not there... Not straight, not curly...just kind of sticking out in out directions, not knowing what to do.
Originally Posted by TamLin
Yes. Fluffy. I sympathise.

It took a looong time for my hair to dry with the gel in it, though... Much longer than normal. In fact, I washed it almost 3 hours ago and it is STILL a little damp! I think I will have to figure how to remedy that. Any ideas?
Originally Posted by TamLin
3 hours is nothing. My hair has taken 7 hours to airdry. If you have bigger clumps, high density, and your hair is moisturized and has product in it, yes it will take much longer to dry.

It is soooo dry on the length now.
Originally Posted by TamLin
You need a good conditioner. A popular (cheapish) one is GVP Conditioning Balm (knockoff of Matrix Biolage Conditioning Balm) from Sallys. You can easily DT with this, add coconut oil and honey for instance. You technically have 2 textures now... the virgin and henna-indigoed. You may need to give the latter some extra TLC.

I'm guessing I'm a 2b right now. I'd like to find some hair twins that might give me a starting point for trying some products.
Originally Posted by TamLin
Hair twin doesn't refer to curl type. It refers to hair properties. My hair twin can have a different curl pattern than I do. You should figure out your properties if you haven't already done so: Live Curly Live Free - Curly Hair Basics
fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: no guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, gelatin gel

Recent findings: my hair likes Cure Care diluted with water as a cowash; does NOT like guar h.c.!

iherb discount code: CFN646
Thanks for the encouragement and thoughtful responses wavydaze!

I want to stay open minded about all of this. I have lurked a little bit on the forums before, and I have noticed a tendency for people to yearn, maybe even obsess a little, for their hair to be wavier/curlier. So, I wasn't asking about getting wavier hair for that reason so much as I'm curious about what my hair actually looks like after treating incorrectly for my whole life. I really want to avoid that kind of thinking too much, because I know personally that it just leads to being disappointed about something inevitable!

I'm sure we've all felt that way at some point. I guess having wavy hair puts you in that weird position where you hair is doing something, but it is not quite as resilient and constant as definitively curly hair. We have to work at it to make everything lay right and come into its best pattern.

I am going to work on reading that link you posted. I have NO idea what happened after I used henna/indigo... But, my hair feels like it has gotten thinner than it used to be. And so lifeless.. It used to be quite thick/dense, medium in texture, but beyond that I'm not sure.

When I had virgin hair I mostly recall it being extremely reluctant to be styled in any way, especially with heat. I could straighten it, and almost immediately it seemed the kinks in the under layers of my hair would already be re-waving. (You know, that look of someone with flat ironed hair that clearly doesn't have straight hair...
) Or, they would never get straight in the first place. My hair could never, ever hold a heat curl either. Not matter how long I'd hold the iron in, it would flat out almost immediately.

It was also extremely resistant to most chemical dyes. They would just wash out completely every time I got it colored or colored it myself.

Does that mean it has low porosity?

It makes me kind of horrified to think how media and beauty adverts/companies push a way to care for hair that essentially destroys its natural potential completely. Looking back, you realize you just wrestled with your hair your whole life because you weren't even conscious there was anything else to do.

You can excuse the rambling, just thoughts coming to the surface about how crazy it all can seem.
Agree 2b, tho be aware a lot of length and henna can both pull out curl. Might try letting your hair dry 100% before scrunching out the crunch.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Henna: Curl Loosening Theory
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Long air drying times are normal as you leave more water in the hair and use more product than straighties, possible solutions include longer plop, scrunching out more water with your towel/ t-shirt or partially diffusing on a low heat.

You might have different porosities on different parts of your hair, the lengths/ ends will naturally be more damaged due to weathering or mechanical damage. Plus there is the effect of the henna.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect

Last edited by Firefox7275; 07-12-2013 at 09:07 PM.
Hmm, interesting diagram there!

Yeah, I am assuming my hair must have different levels of porosity. Though, at the moment it seems it might be mostly low, at least on the healthier parts because it takes it a long time to get wet in the shower/dry after shower, and oiling, etc just seems to sit on top of hair, or it gets coated/limp feeling if I try to condition it, feeling like the product is not absorbing... as well as it being EXTREMELY prone to tangling/dryness on the ends... like velcro... However, hair at the nape of my neck it completely broken, almost every strand is split/has breakage. It really is a problem. I wonder if that hair needs protein...?
You could also try diffusing to help with dry time and bounce. Do you have a diffuser?
You can see my wavy tutorials here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ZNxhBHSXAW40OQ and my wavy blog is The Wavy Nation http://wavynation.wordpress.com
I would say a 2b but perhaps you could add some shorter layers to give you some surprises? You never know you may be surprised!

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Hmm, interesting diagram there!

Yeah, I am assuming my hair must have different levels of porosity. Though, at the moment it seems it might be mostly low, at least on the healthier parts because it takes it a long time to get wet in the shower/dry after shower, and oiling, etc just seems to sit on top of hair, or it gets coated/limp feeling if I try to condition it, feeling like the product is not absorbing... as well as it being EXTREMELY prone to tangling/dryness on the ends... like velcro... However, hair at the nape of my neck it completely broken, almost every strand is split/has breakage. It really is a problem. I wonder if that hair needs protein...?
Originally Posted by TamLin
I would suggest a chelating wash first off in case you have mineral build up from hardness in the water or swimming, if you still have tangly velcro ends after that you probably need to trim off that section. Older hair loses all it's protective cuticle through weathering/ mechanical damage and this cannot be repaired or replaced. One the cuticle is gone the damaged hair can catch and tangle on healthy hair higher up, as well as splitting and breaking itself.

Nape hair is young so obviously worth trying to salvage. What is it getting damaged on - tools you use to secure up dos, cotton pillowcase, rough collar on work uniform, headrest in car or at work, harsh brushing, rough hands or fingernails, rough terry cotton towel turbans? Consider a satin pillowcase, silk scarf or hair ties, no tight up dos, very wide tooth detangling comb and suchlike. Even no snag ponytail elastics are damaging if used regularly.

Hydrolysed protein is great for fine, porous or damaged hair not so much for low porosity or coarse hair. Ideally identify your hair properties, depending on your budget you might consider a hair analysis from Live Curly Live Free or Komaza Care. If you want to try start out with a weak 'everyday' type conditioner or a weak treatment followed by a good deep conditioner. Don't go in all guns blazing.
Komaza Care HAIR ANALYSIS Service - Rave! - Long Hair Care Forum
Order a Hair Analysis | Live Curly Live Free

Do be aware most ingredients in conditioners and many oils cannot penetrate, so some of what you are experiencing may be down to that. If you do end up confirming low porosity but damaged hair you might try using coconut oil or hydrolysed protein as an ingredient not straight up, ceramides and panthenol can also help patch repair cuticle damage without causing build up.

Be sure all your conditioners contain water soluble ingredients - avoid most silicones, many polyquats, natural butters, mineral oil and petrolatum. Look for cationic surfactants (the behentrimoniums are great for detangling) and fatty alcohols. You also might use as many products at pH ~4.5 as possible, this helps the cuticle lay flat so reduce tangling without adding more ingredients that might build up.

Natural Haven have a whole series of articles on deep conditioning and protein treatments, the whole blog is brilliant. Also worth reading are the 'curl chemist' articles by Tonya McKay here on NC.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Deep Conditioning Update: Penetration and Adsorption
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)

HTH.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
You could also try diffusing to help with dry time and bounce. Do you have a diffuser?
Originally Posted by chupie
No,but I'm thinking I should get one...

I have a big problem with flat roots. That's probably what is my biggest hair issue at the moment. My hair is very heavy, especially when wet. (which is probably pulling some wave out) It tends to dry that way too, which I don't like... just very heavy looking and flat. The longer it gets, the flatter it seems to get...
Hmm, interesting diagram there!

Yeah, I am assuming my hair must have different levels of porosity. Though, at the moment it seems it might be mostly low, at least on the healthier parts because it takes it a long time to get wet in the shower/dry after shower, and oiling, etc just seems to sit on top of hair, or it gets coated/limp feeling if I try to condition it, feeling like the product is not absorbing... as well as it being EXTREMELY prone to tangling/dryness on the ends... like velcro... However, hair at the nape of my neck it completely broken, almost every strand is split/has breakage. It really is a problem. I wonder if that hair needs protein...?
Originally Posted by TamLin
I would suggest a chelating wash first off in case you have mineral build up from hardness in the water or swimming, if you still have tangly velcro ends after that you probably need to trim off that section. Older hair loses all it's protective cuticle through weathering/ mechanical damage and this cannot be repaired or replaced. One the cuticle is gone the damaged hair can catch and tangle on healthy hair higher up, as well as splitting and breaking itself.

Nape hair is young so obviously worth trying to salvage. What is it getting damaged on - tools you use to secure up dos, cotton pillowcase, rough collar on work uniform, headrest in car or at work, harsh brushing, rough hands or fingernails, rough terry cotton towel turbans? Consider a satin pillowcase, silk scarf or hair ties, no tight up dos, very wide tooth detangling comb and suchlike. Even no snag ponytail elastics are damaging if used regularly.

Hydrolysed protein is great for fine, porous or damaged hair not so much for low porosity or coarse hair. Ideally identify your hair properties, depending on your budget you might consider a hair analysis from Live Curly Live Free or Komaza Care. If you want to try start out with a weak 'everyday' type conditioner or a weak treatment followed by a good deep conditioner. Don't go in all guns blazing.
Komaza Care HAIR ANALYSIS Service - Rave! - Long Hair Care Forum
Order a Hair Analysis | Live Curly Live Free

Do be aware most ingredients in conditioners and many oils cannot penetrate, so some of what you are experiencing may be down to that. If you do end up confirming low porosity but damaged hair you might try using coconut oil or hydrolysed protein as an ingredient not straight up, ceramides and panthenol can also help patch repair cuticle damage without causing build up.

Be sure all your conditioners contain water soluble ingredients - avoid most silicones, many polyquats, natural butters, mineral oil and petrolatum. Look for cationic surfactants (the behentrimoniums are great for detangling) and fatty alcohols. You also might use as many products at pH ~4.5 as possible, this helps the cuticle lay flat so reduce tangling without adding more ingredients that might build up.

Natural Haven have a whole series of articles on deep conditioning and protein treatments, the whole blog is brilliant. Also worth reading are the 'curl chemist' articles by Tonya McKay here on NC.
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Deep Conditioning Update: Penetration and Adsorption
THE NATURAL HAVEN: Size matters : Protein Conditioning (part 1 of 2)

HTH.
Originally Posted by Firefox7275

Could you explain a little why to avoid natural butters and stuff like that? Sometimes I like to add a bit of weight to my hair because it can get puffy, but perhaps I am approaching it incorrectly. I wonder if the products I used are too heavy, and are making my hair flatter/less wavy than it could be...

"Be sure all your conditioners contain water soluble ingredients - avoid most silicones, many polyquats, natural butters, mineral oil and petrolatum. Look for cationic surfactants (the behentrimoniums are great for detangling) and fatty alcohols. You also might use as many products at pH ~4.5 as possible, this helps the cuticle lay flat so reduce tangling without adding more ingredients that might build up."

Could you explain a little why to avoid natural butters and stuff like that? Sometimes I like to add a bit of weight to my hair because it can get puffy, but perhaps I am approaching it incorrectly. I wonder if the products I used are too heavy, and are making my hair flatter/less wavy than it could be...
Originally Posted by TamLin
As I said because they are not water soluble ingredients and not removed by conditioner only washing. Don't confuse heavy with rich, you can calm frizz and 'nourish' hair with the right rich products or just more of a basic leave in conditioner, but weigh hair down with overly heavy products.
2a-2c, medium texture, porous/ colour treated. Three years CG. Past bra strap length heading for waist.

CO-wash: Inecto coconut/ Elvive Volume Collagen
Treatments: Komaza Care Matani, coconut/ sweet almond/ fractionated coconut oils, Hairveda Sitrinillah
Leave in: Fructis Sleek & Shine (old), Gliss Ultimate Volume, various Elvive
Styler: Umberto Giannini jelly, Au Naturale styling gelee
Flour sack towel, pixie diffuse or air dry.
Experimenting with: benign neglect
I have a big problem with flat roots. That's probably what is my biggest hair issue at the moment. My hair is very heavy, especially when wet. (which is probably pulling some wave out) It tends to dry that way too, which I don't like... just very heavy looking and flat. The longer it gets, the flatter it seems to get...
Originally Posted by TamLin
I had this problem when I first started this wavy adventure. I realized that I can basically completely fix this by nudging things a little when I first put the gel in. I part it on the side and sort of scoot the heavier side up and back to get some volume in there. It just stays there as long as I keep my hands out of it. I get a nice, reasonable amount of height when it's dry.

I also switch up the part after every shampooing.
Jessica
Type 2c: coarse, high-density, low porosity (so it would seem)
Avoiding protein and glycerin; going for soft, non-crunchy, frizz-free waves
CO & RO: Tresemme Naturals Moisture
Sealer: Olive oil
Leave-in/Styler: Kinky Curly Knot Today
DT: olive oil and honey

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