Struggling with my 2a waves

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I've been lurking around here for a while, but this is my first post!

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I have 2a waves, it's fairly easy to both straighten and curl (using heat of course). My natural hair has no idea what it's doing though. If I air dry with no products it's a bit frizzy and has "bends" here and there, I always thought I had "stupid straight hair" until I figured out I actually had waves. I stopped using shampoos and conditioners with silicones. I used to straighten my hair almost everyday (even on days I skipped washing) . I recently cut about four inches off my hair (it was almost down to my waist!), but the ends were very damaged and it needed to be done.

I believe my hair is normal porosity. Don't hold me to that though, I can be wrong. My hair seems to love moisture, and it loves the deep conditioner I use. I use tresemme naturals moisture shampoo and conditioner. They both don't have silicones, although the shampoo does have sulfates. I just recently switched over to this shampoo & conditioner and so far I like it.

For a mousse I use Aussie sprunch mousse. I also use Garnier Fructis style surf hair texture paste (matte effect). I just recently got Suave captivating curls spray gel, but I haven't tried it yet. For a leave in I use "infusium 23 Repair and Renew leave in treatment" which has proteins in it. My deep conditioner is "Moroccan Argan Oil Intensive Moisture Treatment by Organix".

The best waves I have gotten was when I did this: (this was when my hair was still long and very damaged)
Shampoo as normal. Turn head upside down and apply conditioner by "scrunching" it in. Wait a little bit and rinse while scrunching. (Still upside down). I believe that's the icequeen method if I'm right.
I would then scrunch in my mousse. I would "scrunch" maybe 8 times a section, I really need to encourage my waves.
I applied some texture paste and plopped using a long sleeve tshirt for 10 minutes.
After I took it out of the plop tried to get my hair to fall into my natural part as best as I could and I air dried, scrunching it occasionally.

That doesn't always produce consistent results though, especially with my shorter, healthier hair.

tl;dr

I have 2a, normal porosity (I could be wrong there), hair that needs a lot of encouraging to get it to look decent and wavy. My hair likes moisture.

Do you guys have any suggestions to help my hair produce almost consistent, wavy results? Have any of you 2a's out there had good results using spray gels?

Sorry for such a long post, just tell me if I need to clarify anything.

Last edited by wonderland; 07-23-2013 at 07:40 PM. Reason: Adding in name of deep conditioner.
I also have 2a waves; my hair is baby fine too, so it gets weighed down really easily. I find that even water will pull out my wave. I do need some sort of product or my hair just looks "messy". I can actually do my hair 3 different ways and get 3 very different looks. I guess that's the joy of being such a loose wavy??

The only way I can get consistent wave is if I diffuse. Have you tried diffusing? Also, do you know if your hair is fine, med or coarse? That will help you figure out if your hair can tolerate/needs more protein.
2a-2bFii NP?

Low poo: Deva Low-Poo, Jessicurl GLS, Moroccanoil Volumizing Shampoo, Aveda Be Curly
Condish: Cure Care, Redken Body Full, Deva One C, and Jessicurl Aloeba
LI: Aveda Be Curly Style Prep <3
Products: Deva FFVF & Jessicurl Spiralicious (LOVE), TRESemme Curl Boosting Mousse
Hairspray: Aussie Sprunch, TRESemme Curl
locking Spray
Experimenting with lots of products in my cabinet...


My hair loves protein, plopping, and diffusing! Trying to find a way to style and air dry.
I believe my hair is medium-fine. No, I haven't tried diffusing, I really need to get a good blow dyer and diffuser. (Any recommendations?) Would diffusing using a cool setting be possible? I really want to keep my hair as healthy as possible.

I tried the Suave captivating curls gel tonight, it seemed to work pretty well. I used it over my aussie sprunch mousse. I scrunched out the crunch on one side using just my hands. I'm going to sotc on the other tomorrow morning after pineappling to see if it makes any difference in preserving my waves overnight.
I bet your frizzy hair has to do with it being dry. I would really encourage you to lose the sulfates or any harsh cleansers. My hair on sulfates would be "stupid straight" as well or "cotton candy" or "billowy cloud," take your pick.

If your hair is on the fine side you should start doing some PTs and have at least one item contain hydrolized protein. If you've been straightening every day for a long time your hair may be high porosity.... even more reason to drop the sulfates!

Coconut oil soaks are great for damaged and dry hair as well. Get a good leave-in conditioner as well.
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2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646
The majority of the damage has been cut off of my hair, although it's very possible my hair is still high porosity. I've only straightened my hair once since the cut, I don't plan to do it very often. Any recommendations for protein treatments?

My scalp doesn't seem to mind sulfates, although the rest of my hair may not like them. I tried organix coconut milk shampoo that didn't have sulfates, my scalp didn't seem to like that at all. :/ Maybe it was just that shampoo, I'll definitely try another one.
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^the protein recipe is pretty cheap to make and works well

I've also used ApHogee protein treatment, but it doesn't smell the best...
wavydaze likes this.
Wave Pattern: 2A
Hair Properties: Normal/Low Porosity, Medium Density, Medium Texture w/Fine Straight Underlayer
Co-wash: Suave Naturals, Cure Care
Low-poo: Renpure Brazilian Keratin
Rinse Out & Leave In: Tresemme Naturals
Gel: LA Looks Mega Mega Hold Gel, Garnier Fructis Spray Gel
The majority of the damage has been cut off of my hair, although it's very possible my hair is still high porosity. I've only straightened my hair once since the cut, I don't plan to do it very often. Any recommendations for protein treatments?

My scalp doesn't seem to mind sulfates, although the rest of my hair may not like them. I tried organix coconut milk shampoo that didn't have sulfates, my scalp didn't seem to like that at all. :/ Maybe it was just that shampoo, I'll definitely try another one.
Originally Posted by wonderland
Organix is one of those greenwashing brands IMO... someone recently was saying they bought a few bottles and they had olefin sulfonates in them... not sulfates but other very harsh cleansers. If your Organix poo had olefin sulfonates in it, that may be why you hated it.

This is a great resource: What Makes a Cleansing Ingredient More Harsh or More Gentle?

There are many threads on favorite low-poos, there is a current one on the "General" section, and there was a recent one with many responses within the last month or so.

Drugstore low-poos off the top of my head: look at Yes to Cucumbers, Giovanni poos (double check no olefin sulfonate), DermOrganic, Renpure, SheaMoisture poos are very gentle and well-liked (but also contain oils, note SM poos do not break down cones). You can also look into cowashing; your hair may benefit from it.

You said your hair was almost down to your waist, right? How long ago did you stop using heat? The longer the hair, the older it is and generally the more damaged, especially if you've been using heat. If your hair is mid-back or longer right now.... then you would have needed to stop using daily high heat like 2-3 years ago in order for it to be virgin, undamaged hair. See what I mean? If you stopped using heat 6 months ago, only the hair that has grown since is truly undamaged, so that means however many inches of hair you can grow in 6 months. It may have been the 4 bottom inches that were completely damaged, but the rest of your hair is likely on the porous side.

If you're not vegetarian, the gelatin PT posted above is truly awesome and inexpensive. I recommend.

At this point I would encourage you to get a good handle on haircare before delving into lots of styling gels and techniques. That means:

1. Finding a cleansing system (whether low-poo or no-poo) that is non-stripping.
2. Conditioning the hair properly and/or getting some protein from your rinse-out and leave-in conditioners.
3. Doing DTs and coconut oil soaks (DTs help with keeping the hair moisturized and conditioned, coconut oil has various benefits, helps with porous, damaged hair)
4. Doing PTs (protein treatments will help to "patch repair" some areas of damaged, porous hair)

All of the above will help get your hair in better condition. HTH
nfraser likes this.
2BC/f/II. fine - low/normal porosity - medium density - normal elasticity.

Currently using:
Cowash: Cure Care diluted with water 1:1
RO: Cure Care, V05 Kiwi Lime
Styler: UFD CM (old formula), FSG + CNPF
PT: IAgirl's gelatine

Experimenting with: CeraVe Foaming as low-poo, gelatin gel

light moisture, hydrolized protein, jelly stylers
guar hydroxypropyltrimonium chloride, sulfates
Neutral on cones.

iherb discount code: CFN646

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